Looking for guidance....

Just out of curiosity, how is this person going to help your learning process? The mission of an F15 and a corporate jet are worlds apart. One gets to transport munitions to a target with high authority, and the other has to transport people from point A to point B through extremely complicated airspace. The F15 is a single pilot op while most business jets involve a CRM concept. The systems on the two aircraft are distant cousins at best. The only thing they really have in common is speed, and the F15 tends to kinda seriously out perform a business jet there.
 
C'mon kell, isn't it obvious? The fighter jock can teach him some cool tactical evasion maneuvers that will come in handy when those pesky buggers from Customs, Border Patrol, etc. come flying after him.
 
Yeah, Rico said he could do the same for me on those Miami runs. And he had this really cool black 182.
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Realistically, I am sure that many facets of flying are utilized in many different aircraft uch as basics. If you wanna be a dick, I am sure you can always go post in a forum where someone cares, but for those of you who are actually putting your 2 cents worth in, keep it coming.

I don't mind ridicule for being a "newbie" or whatever you may call it, but at least make it less obvious that you are trying to be an ass about it.
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If your looking for aircraft BASICS, a local CFI would be a much better resource than an F15 pilot. The air force uses a drastically different training program and focuses on very different aspects. The CFI would also be able to prepare you for some of the training you may encounter.

As far as people being "dicks" on here, what you're talking about is a lot like going from a Seminole to the space shuttle, but possibly more complicated. It's difficult enough to go from no time to CFI in about four months. No time to corporate jet in a year is boderline unrealistic. From a business standpoint, no company would lease or finance a multi-million dollar jet under these circumstances. They would want insurance for their investment, and with those low times it's HIGHLY doubtful that any aviation insurance company would cover the aircraft's hull, much less liability. If you're friend is wealthy enough to pay cash or self insure, then it's a possibility. But even Bill Gates might be stretched thin after writing those checks.
 
I think you would get more help if you gave more specifics. I think people in general are more willing to help if they know/have all available information.
 
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Realistically, I am sure that many facets of flying are utilized in many different aircraft uch as basics. If you wanna be a dick, I am sure you can always go post in a forum where someone cares, but for those of you who are actually putting your 2 cents worth in, keep it coming.

I don't mind ridicule for being a "newbie" or whatever you may call it, but at least make it less obvious that you are trying to be an ass about it.
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So, how much face time do you get with the lady that is planning on footing the bill. I agree with the people that are saying this person just needs a little aviation education. The pilot she had before was probably more than qualified to fly her airplane and thus never really encountered the problems that a low time time pilot will create. If you are for real, and this job is for real, then you will be doing yourself and your financier a great favor by educating her. In the end it might make more sense for her to can the guy that only wants to be the FO, have you sit right seat once you are qualified, and have her hire another qualified pilot to fly PIC until you are ready to move over to the left seat.

I also agree with they guy that recommended doing as much training as you can in an a/c that is "glass" equiped, and a school that is ready to take you full steam ahead.
 
Go ahead and erase it, I have learned quite a bit. I did this to gather information, and information I did gather. There has been a lot of information in here. As of next week I will be contacting flight schools for further research, but my initial contact was with a flight school, and that is where I received my initial information. Unless there is anything else someone can think of for me to look further into or to consider when doing my research, just stop replying and maybe the topic will go away.

In general I was hopeing someone could give me a good idea of step by step, what each step would be, and maybe a little insight as to which steps may present a little more challenge than others or just some words of wisdom and insight as to what lies ahead.
 
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I think you got it,

If you pursue this, you are going to quickly learn that it is far more complicated than you thought.



Not everybody was very tactful because what you are describeig sounds too good to be true. This leads people to wonder if you are being truthful.

I am willing to give you the benifite of the doubt, and assume that you are simply ignorant of the enormous dificulty of what you are proposeing.


There is no reason you can't eventually learn to fly jet aircraft, but there is no way to acomplish this in less than a year. Two to four years is a more realistic figure if you do this full time.
 
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Go ahead and erase it, I have learned quite a bit. I did this to gather information, and information I did gather. There has been a lot of information in here. As of next week I will be contacting flight schools for further research, but my initial contact was with a flight school, and that is where I received my initial information. Unless there is anything else someone can think of for me to look further into or to consider when doing my research, just stop replying and maybe the topic will go away.

In general I was hopeing someone could give me a good idea of step by step, what each step would be, and maybe a little insight as to which steps may present a little more challenge than others or just some words of wisdom and insight as to what lies ahead.

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Well, you need to find a school that can handle your needs. FSI and Pan Am can get you through all the ratings in a fairly timely manner and both have business jet training centers that can help get you ready for the jet when the time comes. You have and ENORMOUS learning curve ahead of you. I think the consensus here is that you and your "employer" really need to be fully informed on what you are getting yourself into, and set your expectations accordingly. It will most definitely take you more than 6 months to get the time you need. I finished an accelerated program in 13 months, and came out with about 300TT/90ME, and that was flying just about everyday, sometimes two times per day.

When it comes to schools, you might want to start your search in the fair weather states, FL/AZ/ as you will get the most available flight days, (due to weather). However, you may come up short on the available IFR time (catch-22).

Figure out your timeline, and when you plan on getting started. Your biggest challenge is going to be filling in the gap between the time you log from completing your ratings, and the time an insurance company is going to require inorder to insure the plane. Unless you employer is weathly enough to self-insure. When you are done, you might look to Skymates as a means to load up on lots of multi-time very quick.

Anyway, I hope it all works out for you, and the advice you have received from this thread has shed some light on the path you want to take.

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Thanks for information on skymates. That looks like it will be a great resource down the road. Any magazines that you think are a great resource as well, or clubs, or anything else along those lines?
 
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Thanks for information on skymates. That looks like it will be a great resource down the road. Any magazines that you think are a great resource as well, or clubs, or anything else along those lines?

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I'll say it for a third time, please present all information up front. We don't need names or places, just give us more info. And I believe you have gotten plenty of info already but if you want more specifics, keep asking.
 
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The F-15 doesn't even do that much anymore. These days, it seems to spend most of it's time flying holding patterns.

In the recent Iraq war, I think F-15 single-seaters put about 1-2 days' worth of work............
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Thanks for information on skymates. That looks like it will be a great resource down the road. Any magazines that you think are a great resource as well, or clubs, or anything else along those lines?

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Dude, if you are planning on doing what you are talking about doing, you need to be diving in deeper than magazines and clubs!!! Get a Jeppesen or Cessna Private Pilot kit and start reading. Start watching videos. Have you taken a lesson anywhere yet? You have NO IDEA how steep of a learning curve you have ahead of you! Magazines and clubs are SOOOO not going to cut it.
 
I don't recall ever hearing of a FO that didn't want to switch to the left seat!? I could understand if the FO felt like he couldn't handle the responsibilty of being the active PIC. I can't understand how he could be more comfortable on the under the command of a 1200 hour guy. I know I wouldn't want to be. Especially considering this so called "co-pilot" would probably have a pretty high experince level.
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