Looking for guidance....

If it sounds too good to be true.....

From 0 to 1200 hrs in 6 months to a year is freaking insane IMO. I'd almost think it would be very easy to get burned out getting all your ratings from PPL to type that fast. But, if you got the opportunity, take it as far as you can but be wary of a crappy outcome.
 
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The good news is I will be training full time and I have my employer full endorsement for completing as much flight time as needed. I was told that within 6 months I could potentially complete all of my certifications if I am going full time. By the end of a year I could have a total of about 1200+ flight hours if I am dedicated and work hard at it.

Where doe that place me? The flight school I spoke with told me that I should be in a good position at that point to fly lear jets. If anyone else has information on this, please let me know. I am suppose to have all my information gathered by the end of March when I will be sitting down with my future employer to discuss everything I have researched.

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You're getting fed a bunch of BS. I suppose it is possible to get 1200 hours in one year but why would you want to, you should take time to enjoy it. Trust me, after that many hours in such a short time, it will become just a job.

If you take 6 months to earn most of your ratings, that will put around 250 to 300 hours. That would another at least another 900 hours in 6 months. Talk about a burn out. How are you planning to build hours so quickly?
 
It may be burn out for many, but to me it is the gate to freedom. Once I get everything done, I will be working the job of a lifetime. I would rather bust my ass as if I was in college again, rather than take my time. As soon as I get all my training done and certified, my salary gets doubled, and so far she is talking well over six figures, that's a big reason why.

I figure if she is paying for everything, and giving me such a great opportunity, I owe it to her to give it 110%. I actually almost joined the Air Force back in 2002, had taken every test necessary to apply for a pilot position, but had no flight time which killed me. I want this more than anything, and am willing to work my ass off for it.

Oh yea, she is paying for all the necesary flight time and schooling needed to complete my training. Before her jet was destroyed in a tornado, she even volunteered her jet when necessary, but now she is going to wait until I complete everything to get a new one so she does not have to hire a different pilot. She couldn't stand her last pilot.
 
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It may be burn out for many, but to me it is the gate to freedom. Once I get everything done, I will be working the job of a lifetime. I would rather bust my ass as if I was in college again, rather than take my time. As soon as I get all my training done and certified, my salary gets doubled, and so far she is talking well over six figures, that's a big reason why.

I figure if she is paying for everything, and giving me such a great opportunity, I owe it to her to give it 110%. I actually almost joined the Air Force back in 2002, had taken every test necessary to apply for a pilot position, but had no flight time which killed me. I want this more than anything, and am willing to work my ass off for it.

Oh yea, she is paying for all the necesary flight time and schooling needed to complete my training. Before her jet was destroyed in a tornado, she even volunteered her jet when necessary, but now she is going to wait until I complete everything to get a new one so she does not have to hire a different pilot. She couldn't stand her last pilot.

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Sign me up a pilot with 1200TT making six figures in only 1 year
 
hey i have to doubt the reality of this job actually working out but by all means if you have the oportunity for your training to be paid for, go for it. that particular job may not be realistic, (really isnt at all for that matter) but at least youll have the training and can continue in search of a career in aviation. of course thats kinda screwing this prospective employer but then again its just taking longer than originally expected. i dont know ill just be honest 6 months is not going to happen from 0 to type in a bizjet.
 
So, you do not know of anyone completing their certifications in 6 months? Maybe it is a year then. I have done previous reearch lat summer when I started discussing this with the employer, and I could have forgotten a little bit about it.

I am actually going to be going to some local training schools to get materials and information so I can have it ready for the end of the month. If I am wrong, or misundertood anything, that's why I came here, feel free to set me straight.

I appreciate everything so far, thank you for the feedback.
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Insurability. AVEMCO or any of the majors wouldn't touch a pilot to fly a corporate jet as PIC with 1200 hours. I certainly wouldn't!

Methinks you need to hang around Jetcareers a little more, do a little more reading and it'll help you understand the process a little more.
 
Funny, no I am not. I was just in the right place, at the right time, am a very well educated person, with the right personality, have strong family morals, which is everything she wants in her pilot. We have helped her through some extremely tough times and she is going to be very generous to us because of this.

Maybe you can suggest where I should go to start from scratch, a credible source or school, to discuss what it is I am trying to accomplish and what I need to do to get there in as short amount of time as possible.

I am all ears, I don't think this will be any more difficult than a bachelors degree in Engineering where 60% of all freshman engineers drop out.

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If someone is willing to pay for you to get all your ratings, then I say go for it. I did my training at Flight Safety Academy which has ads on this sites banners. I would recomend it to anyone (esp. if somebody else is footing the bill).



However the simple fact is that no insurance company is never going to insure you as a pilot in comand of a jet for quite some time. Without insurance, no bank will ever finance the purchase of a multi millon dollar asset.

This is for a very good reason, you need plenty of good experiance before you are ready to take the reigns yourself.

I've been around aviation all my life, served in the Marines as a helicopter mechanic, hold a comercial liscense in singles and twins, Flight Instructor ratings in both, and now have my A&P mechanincs liscense.

But I only have about 400 hours of flight time. Having seen what is involved with flying jet aircraft, I know that I am not yet ready to fly jets. There is a tremendous amount of techincal information to learn, and I still need to improve my basic pilot skills. Right now there is no way I could pass the tests to fly a jet.

One day I will be ready, but it will take more time and experiance. The same holds true for everbody. you must crawl before you can walk, or run.




I think that whoever your employer is has a very naive view of how complex flying can be. If she wants to pay for you to progress along as a pilot, and eventually fly her plane in a few years, then great. But rushing through your training, and flying an airplane you are not ready for is a recipie for disaster.
 
i did say earlier that 0 time to bizjet was impossible in 6 months. however i did not say that it was impossible to get your ratings in that time. the problem you face is that an absolute minimum of 1200 hours must be met before you can pilot this ladys jet. its the time between completion of your ratings and 1200 that will stretch it out past six months. now a year yeah thats in the realm of possibility.

i have to agree with usmcmech that your employer might be a little naive about all it takes to be a pilot. in fact not to sound degrading but i think you may hace the same issue a little. dont worry though cause your not the only one i myself was a little surprised. however dont become discouraged. definately go for it. im just trying to help with my opinion but by all means prove me wrong it would be quite a challenge. good luck man
 
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i have to agree with usmcmech that your employer might be a little naive about all it takes to be a pilot

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A little more than a little, I would say. I thought it was a troll when I first read it.

To the original poster, if they're going to pay for your ratings, have at it. Worst case scenario you got your training for free.

But I think when you all start REALLY doing research about what it takes to get through your ratings, and get insurable in a jet (even as SIC, let alone PIC), you'll realize that what is being considered is not realistic in any way, shape, or form. No insurance company will touch you, and nobody in their right mind will pay for you to simply fly around in circles to build time towards insurance requirements. Sorry.

BTW, my former employer has a Lear 35. They were looking for a captain awhile back. The insurance company set HARD minimums (not flexible) of something like 5000TT, 2000 multi, 1500 turbine for anyone who wasn't typed with a certain amount of time in the aircraft. I can't remember the exact numbers, but that's close, or maybe even a little lower than what it really was.

Whatever happens, good luck.
 
Oh, and a couple more things:

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Ok, so I was finally able to contact my future employer, and I did find out she does have a co-pilot, but he does not want to be the pilot, so I guess that solves that problem.

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This, is fishy. Someone is lying, or hiding something.

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It may be burn out for many, but to me it is the gate to freedom. Once I get everything done, I will be working the job of a lifetime. I would rather bust my ass as if I was in college again, rather than take my time. As soon as I get all my training done and certified, my salary gets doubled, and so far she is talking well over six figures, that's a big reason why.

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This HAS to be a joke. Gate to freedom? You've got to be kidding. And just how do YOU know you're not going to get burnt out, when you've never flown a plane a day in your life before? I never thought I would, but after about 450 hours of dual given, I was in a big slump. It happens.

And six figures? You're certifiably insane if you think you'll be PIC of a jet from zero time in one year's time (let alone five) and making that.

Sorry, don't mean to be harsh, but you and your "future employer" don't have a clue what you're getting into.

I suggest you post this exact question over on flightinfo.com. There's lots of very experienced pilots there who would be happy to help you out.
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Ethough I agree with ESF about the this being fishy, I'll bite and add some more info.

First off, what does this employer do and what did you do for her that she wants to pay for your training? You need to answer this to get some credibility. We don't need names or places.

Now, stuff to do. Go somewhere so you can train in a new 172 with the Garmin 1000's. If you do want to fly a glass cockpit, it would be nice to start training in one if you plan on flying them the rest of your life.

After getting your private, I suggest getting checked out in Cessna 182 with the Garmin 1000's stack. Keep flying this and get used to things being done faster. Build up some cross country time which would be after 100-120 hours total time, then go for get your multi rating or instrument rating. I'd say instrument first then multi.

One thing that is important, keep building time in the twin, especially if this lady is footing the bill. It will also help you get insured in the future to fly higher performance aircraft. Go out and challenge yourself with instructors, but also make sure to fly on your own to build confidence.

There is much more to add........hopefully you'll enjoy the ride.
 
Well sounds like you have a good case of the "go get um's" but you might want to take it a little slower and see what it's like. 1200 hours in a year is a bit extreme. No matter how much gumption you have and how much you love to fly, if you are in an accelerated program, you will get a bit burnt out from time to time. I promise there will be a day in your commercial training when it's summertime and sweltering in the plane and you've done your 10th Lazy8/Chandelle and can't figure out what makes a good vs. crappy one where your gonna say to yourself, "This blows, I'm going to the bar." You need a break from time to time, no matter what your job is. I remember reading a statistic from the FAA, or some government organization, that close to 70% of potential students will drop out of flight schools for various reasons. The amount of effort required is tremendous; college was a joke in comparison.

ATP has that 90 day program, and I think they even have some sort of turbine program I believe. If you want fast, I guess that would be the quickest I have heard of. I would definately suggest doing some flying at your local FBO to see if it's what you want. Good luck
 
My 2 cents....

A lot of regional airlines won't even look at pilots for First Officers (FO) below 1,000 hours. So keep in mind an FO is a part of a team that helps successfully complete any given flight safely. So if airlines want an FO to have that much experience, ask yourself how realistic it is to be flying single pilot in a jet at 1200 hours?

To be honest, when I first saw your post I thought it was a joke. That is how non-traditional and strange your plan is.

Also keep in mind, you will not magically be ready to fly a jet once at 1200 hours - being ready is much more than just having the hours in your logbook. It is all about being able to stay 'ahead' of the jet. In other words staying several steps ahead at all times. This is hard enough for some folks with high performance GA airplanes. This only comes with plenty of solid experience gained over time, not flying your brains out for a year suddenly being able to handle a jet. Only the military trains pilots for that kind of thing! And only a very select few get those single-pilot jet slots. (fighter pilots)

And your comment on Engineers - don't assume flying is 'easy'. I've seen several very successful engineers, business folks, doctors, etc. not have quite what it takes (and no, I am NOT generalizing these folks, just an example) to be a safe pilot. What they lack is the common sense and decision making that every pilots needs to stay safe. The stick and rudder stuff isn't too hard, but its the decision making - airmanship - that makes a good pilot. That is the hard part, getting enough experience without getting in over your head. For instance, I recently heard of a couple of student pilots whom can barely get themselves safely to an airport 10 miles away in a C172....and they are taking delivery of Lancair in a few weeks. Talk about a recipe for disaster. 100 knots to 350 knots? Crazy!

My advice? Take advantage of this opportunity, take it slow and keep it safe! Who knows, you might be a natural Chuck Yeager! Just don't get in over your head and be sure to keep asking experienced pilots along the way for input and help.
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Funny, no I am not. I was just in the right place, at the right time, am a very well educated person, with the right personality, have strong family morals, which is everything she wants in her pilot. [ QUOTE ]


Thats what I said to my Insurance company after my private (only took 40hrs) when I bought a high performance, complex, multi engine, twin supercharged, glass cockpit, turbine driven autopilot, with six back up vaccum systems, 10 seat advanced aeroplane!

we just ended up
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they said I lacked the experience
 
Who needs financing? Maybe she'll pay out of pocket.
Who needs insurance? Maybe she can afford to wreck a jet per week.

So despite the thousands of highly qualified pilots out there killing each other for jobs, she is somehow extremely loyal to you for something you've done in the past, the current FO doesn't want to change seats, and the ex-CPT died in a car accident of some sort you say. Hmmmmm.

Maybe this is a "Family" business? Does the position perhaps involve flying in Colombian airspace?
 
Lol, the last reply is quite funny.
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I appreciate all the input, thank you so much. I also have made a new acquaitance over the past several months, which may prove to very beneficial, of an F15 pilot that just relocated to Nellis. Hopefully he will become a very valuable asset to my learning and progress.
 
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