Logging time in a jet when not type rated

Atooraya said:
if i were to do that, don't you think i wouldn't even be asking about how to log time?

and how is it shady to split operating costs with another person who can act as a safety pilot or an instructor?


on a side not, i just logged 24 hrs of x-country time on flight simulator 2004 in a cessna 172 as PIC time. I'm just gonna do this for another 2 weeks and i'll have enough time to apply for United :nana2:
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Just a heads-up; it wasn't all that long ago, the FAA busted a couple guys for what you're talking about doing, ie: trading off as "instructor" and both logging it as PIC.
 
TaterSalad said:
Just a heads-up; it wasn't all that long ago, the FAA busted a couple guys for what you're talking about doing, ie: trading off as "instructor" and both logging it as PIC.
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thanks for letting me know, i actually have about 75hrs of multi, he's the one who's hurting.

i'm just wondering if i can log the jet time, don't wanna get off-trak
 
The answer is 'no'. If you want to log time, you should actually get some ground training in systems and emergency procedures, then you should get three bounces in the airplane and get a SIC signoff. Then you could log 91 time in the jet if some of the stuff that you need to fly single pilot is inop, or if the other pilot does not have an authorization to fly single pilot. If the other guy is single pilot rated, and everything works, you can't log it. If you don't have a SIC signoff, you can't log it. If it is a 135 trip, you can't log it. Starting to get the picture?

If you get the opportunity to go on these trips, go and have fun, you will probably learn something. Just don't screw up your log book and end up looking like a retard at a job interview, or even worse, on a check ride after you filled out an 8710.
 
ananoman said:
The answer is 'no'. If you want to log time, you should actually get some ground training in systems and emergency procedures, then you should get three bounces in the airplane and get a SIC signoff. Then you could log 91 time in the jet if some of the stuff that you need to fly single pilot is inop, or if the other pilot does not have an authorization to fly single pilot. If the other guy is single pilot rated, and everything works, you can't log it. If you don't have a SIC signoff, you can't log it. If it is a 135 trip, you can't log it. Starting to get the picture?

If you get the opportunity to go on these trips, go and have fun, you will probably learn something. Just don't screw up your log book and end up looking like a retard at a job interview, or even worse, on a check ride after you filled out an 8710.
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Ok, new question then.

The Captain let me land the Citation II twice at Waukegan Airport.

Can i log these landings? It was all me on an empty leg.

So technically, don't i just need 3 more t/o's and one more landing + ground school training on systems?
 
Atooraya said:
Ok, new question then.

The Captain let me land the Citation II twice at Waukegan Airport.

Can i log these landings? It was all me on an empty leg.

So technically, don't i just need 3 more t/o's and one more landing + ground school training on systems?
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Check out 61.55 in the FAR's and it will tell you everything you need to know about logging SIC, and when you're legal to do such.

But even then, it's a single-pilot airplane, and the leg you're talking about is part 91, meaning it's being operated single-pilot, even if you're in the plane. The 'only' way you can log those landings, in any form, is if the guy is an MEI and is willing to put the time in your logbook as dual given, and sign it as such.

Now, if you get an SIC checkride, and your ops-specs require 2 pilots on 135 legs, you can log that time as SIC legitimately and it also counts towards total time and multi time, but it sounds like you're short of the insurance requirements for that.

Sorry to be a downer.........I remember being in your shoes, anxious to get any kind of time in my logbook that could help me "get ahead". Truth is, as you may have heard many times, there are very few shortcuts in this career........the jet time will come soon enough, until then ride along, fly the plane when the captain will let you (which is way more than a lot of guys with your time get!) and gain the experience, but keep it out of your logbook. Believe me, it's really not worth as much as it seems to you right now, anyways.

Try to find someone on your field with a King Air 200 or smaller (or an early serial number King Air 300, that required 2 pilots where you can log SIC after meeting the above requirements), that will let you ride along and fly the empty legs, and log your multi time that way. I got about 150 hrs multi this way, before I got my current job.

And I forgot, you'll see in 61.55, no formal ground school is required. Just that you become familiar with the systems, speeds, limitations, etc of the aircraft. So, if they guy isn't single-pilot typed, or there really are inop systems that require an SIC, grab the operators manual and get real familiar with everything in it.
 
Hey, I dont know if this helps but Im kinda in the same situation. I fly right seat in a King Air 300 (Type required) which I dont have. But the Captain is an MEI so I can log it as dual recieved, he signs my log book and it counts as multi time and total time, not SIC time. So if he signs your log book, Id imagine it would count as multi/totaltime. Good luck
 
So if the pilot in a Citation I is part 91, but is an MEI flying single pilot, he gives me ground training in all that I need. And he gives me a sign-off as SIC, can I log the flights in my logbook?

This is way too confusing:(
 
I think if you show up with 5 hours of dual in a citation, 500 hours of citation time and 1000 hours total, someone might snicker!
 
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