Blackhawk
Well-Known Member
As long as some sort of instruction is being given/received it may be logged. However:
1. As someone already wrote the instruction MUST be logged in the logbook of the pilot receiving dual. No signature, then no instruction was given and the logbook entries could get you in trouble. Now how a potential employer will view these logbook entries is another matter.
2. Both pilots must be in a position to perform their duties. So in the OP's scenario if the CFI is in a position to give that instruction and the other pilot is in a position to be sole manipulator of the controls there is no issue. If, however, as some have pointed out, there are other non-pilot duties taking the attention of one pilot then instruction is most likely not happening. For example, if one pilot is under the panel trying to trouble shoot something or operating a camera system or such while the other is flying then dual instruction is not occurring.
3. I know of no regulation stating that dual received must be toward an additional rating, an IPC, FR or any other such thing. Heck, the Wings program actually encourages flight training outside of FRs/IPCs and such. ABS (American Bonanza Society), actually recommends to its members 10 hours of dual a year. Now personally in such a situation as a CFI I would give dual- meaning I would actually teach or evaluate the other pilot on things. I would not just sit there then log dual for doing nothing.
The issue would come up when someone is reviewing the logbook. For example, if you are doing the pictometry mission someone mentioned then dual is not taking place while a person is operating the picture system. Now when that portion is done dual might be taking place. But if a person were to present a logbook to a FSDO (say to confirm the necessary time for an ATP or for a CFI ride), an employer or DE and something smells funny you might get some scrutiny.
1. As someone already wrote the instruction MUST be logged in the logbook of the pilot receiving dual. No signature, then no instruction was given and the logbook entries could get you in trouble. Now how a potential employer will view these logbook entries is another matter.
2. Both pilots must be in a position to perform their duties. So in the OP's scenario if the CFI is in a position to give that instruction and the other pilot is in a position to be sole manipulator of the controls there is no issue. If, however, as some have pointed out, there are other non-pilot duties taking the attention of one pilot then instruction is most likely not happening. For example, if one pilot is under the panel trying to trouble shoot something or operating a camera system or such while the other is flying then dual instruction is not occurring.
3. I know of no regulation stating that dual received must be toward an additional rating, an IPC, FR or any other such thing. Heck, the Wings program actually encourages flight training outside of FRs/IPCs and such. ABS (American Bonanza Society), actually recommends to its members 10 hours of dual a year. Now personally in such a situation as a CFI I would give dual- meaning I would actually teach or evaluate the other pilot on things. I would not just sit there then log dual for doing nothing.
The issue would come up when someone is reviewing the logbook. For example, if you are doing the pictometry mission someone mentioned then dual is not taking place while a person is operating the picture system. Now when that portion is done dual might be taking place. But if a person were to present a logbook to a FSDO (say to confirm the necessary time for an ATP or for a CFI ride), an employer or DE and something smells funny you might get some scrutiny.
