Clocks
Well-Known Member
I did my flight training at KSU
. Just my MEI/II at ATP.KSU did teach me about this reg though:
If I don't want to log time as a CFI in the FTD, super for me.
I haven't gotten to chat with you in a while. I kind of miss it
Logging Sim Time with Students
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. Just my MEI/II at ATP.KSU did teach me about this reg though:
I haven't gotten to chat with you in a while. I kind of miss it
bike21
9-5 Ruins Lives
Thanks Mark, this was the explanation I couldn't seem to conjure up on my own. I agree, to each his own on the logging but it would seem a good idea to take the 'easy' road on this one IMHO
No sense in making life more confusing than it needs to be.
MidlifeFlyer
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Explaining this is one of the things I think a CFI should do with the very first lesson in a sim or ftd. First, I think that the choice of method used in the student's logbook belongs to the student. But more important, it will prepare a student who runs into a CFI who chooses to do it differently to understand the difference and deal with it.Thanks Mark, this was the explanation I couldn't seem to conjure up on my own. I agree, to each his own on the logging but it would seem a good idea to take the 'easy' road on this one IMHO
SIUav8er
Narcosis
Sure you can log it, but why? My interpretation is that you can log whatever you want, as long as you also log what IS required (for currency and/or to meet requirements for other ratings). Dual instruction in a sim/FTD isnt required to be logged.
MidlifeFlyer
Well-Known Member
Because it counts.
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§ 61.159 Aeronautical experience: Airplane category rating.
(a) Except as provided in paragraphs (b), (c), and (d) of this section, a person who is applying for an airline transport pilot certificate with an airplane category and class rating must have at least 1,500 hours of total time as a pilot that includes at least:
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Now, all those "at leasts" require "flight time" and there are some limitations as to how much "device time" you can count toward the total, but, within those limitaions, the time you taught in a sim counts because 61.1(b)(12) says
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Pilot time means that time in which a person -
(i) Serves as a required pilot flight crewmember;
(ii) Receives training from an authorized instructor in an aircraft, flight simulator, or flight training device; or
(iii) Gives training as an authorized instructor in an aircraft, flight simulator, or flight training device.
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FWIW, mine is a little different. You can't log whatever you want. Whatever you do log must be authorized by an FAR or you must identify it as "doesn't count for anything" in some way.
DE727UPS
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Hey man, you ATP guys log whatever floats your boat. The argument was made that it was inappropriate to log "dual instruction" when teaching in a "sim". That is incorrect and was the only reason I bothered to respond.
ATP claims 190 hours of multi in ACPP, but 50 hours of it is in a "sim". If ATP CFI's are taught that they shouldn't log the time in said "sims", perhaps said "sims" are not FAA approved ground trainers. If this is the case, then ATP would have some explaining to do.....
ATP claims 190 hours of multi in ACPP, but 50 hours of it is in a "sim". If ATP CFI's are taught that they shouldn't log the time in said "sims", perhaps said "sims" are not FAA approved ground trainers. If this is the case, then ATP would have some explaining to do.....
Fly_Unity
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ATP sims are approved simulators, Instructors log dual given and thats all, Students log FTD time,.. nothing wrong with that.
Whats "dual given" used for anyways? Its not a requirement for anything with the FAA, except for the 200 hours required to do initial instructors. Even then the regs say "For training in preparation for an airplane, rotorcraft, or powered-lift rating, have given at least 200 hours of flight training as a flight instructor", meaning dual given from a sim doesn't count. I don't think employers care much about "dual given" time you have either...
