logging sim time and tracking VOR's

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azaviator08

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How do you log the time that you are in the sim with a student? Do you just log dual given or do you log the sim time as well?

Can the student log the time in the sim as simulated instrument? I was told that they can as long as they have their hood on.

How much correction do you teach your students to use when tracking VOR's. Lets say your 30 miles away from a VOR would it be correct to use up to 60. I am teaching my students to use 60 degrees at most when trying to get on a radial. Just wondering if anyone else has a "set" number that they use.
 
Logging Time

azaviator08 said:
How do you log the time that you are in the sim with a student? Do you just log dual given or do you log the sim time as well?
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Log as dual but no sim time for instructor. In the remark, you can state in clearly.

azaviator08 said:
Can the student log the time in the sim as simulated instrument? I was told that they can as long as they have their hood on.
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First, isn't it silly to put on a hood in sim?!

Student in the sim, log as sim time only. No such thing as sim time with so call "hood" time logged together.
 
Good question. I’ve been wondering this myself. I don’t log any dual given at all. Actually, nobody does at our school. I also think it depends on the type of sim for the student. We have an AL200 FTD here. It has the whole cockpit and 190deg wrap around screen. We were told by mgmt the local FISDO approved actual flight time in it. So we log all students as actual inst time.
 
I was under the assuption you could only log sim time in any sim. You can use some of that sim time for meeting various aeronautical experience requirements, but it only counted in the SIM column.

I have never heard of it being loggable under flight time or actual instrument. My exposure to them is nil though.
 
azaviator08 said:
How much correction do you teach your students to use when tracking VOR's. Lets say your 30 miles away from a VOR would it be correct to use up to 60. I am teaching my students to use 60 degrees at most when trying to get on a radial. Just wondering if anyone else has a "set" number that they use.
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Here is what I teach:
Example: on R-150 and want to intercept and track R-180 TO Station.

1) Parallel course desired (360 degrees)
2)Find Radial currently on (150)
3)Determine difference between radials (30 degrees)
4)Double difference (60), max 90 degrees.
5)Turn that amount to intercept (intercept heading 300)

So I use up to 90 for an intercept.
 
azaviator08 said:
How do you log the time that you are in the sim with a student? Do you just log dual given or do you log the sim time as well?
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I log nothing. My dual given column only has flight time in it.

Can the student log the time in the sim as simulated instrument? I was told that they can as long as they have their hood on.
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No... they can log it as sim and dual received (or just sim). Just make sure they subtract the sim dual received out from the aircraft dual for the 8710 if they log it that way.

iFLY87 said:
We have an AL200 FTD here. It has the whole cockpit and 190deg wrap around screen. We were told by mgmt the local FISDO approved actual flight time in it. So we log all students as actual inst time.
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I think either your mgmt or the FSDO is wrong. I've never heard of a sim counting for actual instrument. As far as I know that is for flight time only. I would hesitate to send a student for a checkride with time logged that way.
 
No Such Thing

iFLY87 said:
We were told by mgmt the local FISDO approved actual flight time in it. So we log all students as actual inst time.
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I have also never heard of sim time (even approved by FSDO) logging as actual inst time. :dunno:

I have met a >10,000 flying hours instructor, he has only less than 15hours of actual inst time.
 
AP2B said:
I was under the assuption you could only log sim time in any sim. You can use some of that sim time for meeting various aeronautical experience requirements, but it only counted in the SIM column.

I have never heard of it being loggable under flight time or actual instrument. My exposure to them is nil though.
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Your assumption is correct. One of the major divisions in loggabe time is whether its is "flight time" or some other form of "pilot time" that counts toward certain certificate and ratings (definitions in FAR1 and 61.1).

To be "flight time" it must be in an aircraft, not in a sim.

And of course, the answers to all the logging questions in this thread conveniently start in one reg: 61.51.
 
MidlifeFlyer said:
Pretty amazing the junk that gets passed on. I've actually heard this piece of nonsense before.
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61.51(g)(4) A flight simulator or flight training device may be used by a person to log instrument time, provided an authorized instructor is present during the simulated flight.
 
tjvpa28 said:
61.51(g)(4) A flight simulator or flight training device may be used by a person to log instrument time, provided an authorized instructor is present during the simulated flight.
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and that means that the pilot needs to wear a hood when using a sim because...?
 
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