Logging SIC time in Single pilot jets

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J777Fly

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If you are flying right seat in a single pilot jet like a citation jet, mustang or one of the other VLJ's, and you dont have an SIC or PIC type rating in the aircraft, is that flight time still loggable as SIC time?

(Assume you have have a com-multi-IR)
 
As far as my reading of the regulations go, only if the PIC is under the hood for the purposes of simulated instrument flight, but is still acting PIC.

Basically, the way I read it: The airplane that the flight is conducted in, or the rules the flight is conducted under, must require a second in command. If neither of those is the case, there is no SIC.

No?

~Fox
 
hmm, what if its a ferry flight? I would assume that all flight time (while at the controls) should be recorded as something. PIC or SIC etc
 
J777Fly said:
hmm, what if its a ferry flight? I would assume that all flight time (while at the controls) should be recorded as something. PIC or SIC etc
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Your answer is in 61.51(f). You have to either be in a plane that requires a second in command (and have the required training of 61.55) OR you have to have category and class (and instrument if required) and have a second pilot required by the type certificate or regulation you're operating under.

Doesn't matter what kind of flight, if you can't check one of the boxes in 61.51(f) it can't be SIC, and if you can't check one of the other boxes in 61.51 you can't log it as flight time at all. At least not for FAA purposes. You can make a note in your logbook about the flight for nostalgia if you want. Just don't add it in to anything you're using to apply for a certificate or rating, and I would strongly discourage using it for employment or insurance purposes.
 
J777Fly said:
Ok thanks for confirming that.
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Eh. At least this one is pretty clear cut. Some of the logging time questions can get tricky. ;)

I've heard arguments for everything from a situation where no one in the plane can log anything to up to 4 people logging PIC in a light twin. It can get pretty convoluted.
 
Also, I believe this same question was addressed about a month ago. The thread has additional information and can be located with the search function.
 
If it is a Part 135 flight two pilots are required by regulation so SIC can be logged.
 
SteveC said:
If it is a Part 135 flight two pilots are required by regulation so SIC can be logged.
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Still has to have the training. And I think that would be covered under the "regulations you're operating under require an SIC" clause in 61.51. :)
 
fucius said:
Not necessarily if you have an operable autopilot... 135.101/135.105
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Even if you have Ops Spec 135.105 (to use an autopilot in lieu of an SIC), it is only an OPTION. You are not REQUIRED to fly single pilot, but simply ALLOWED to fly single pilot (with restrictions as outlined). If the company chooses NOT to use that option than the SIC is still a required crew member. And can log it.
 
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