Logging SIC time as total time under 135 ops for an A/C req. only 1 pilot?

RogerWilco787

RogerWilco787

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So, can you log total time as SIC in an airplane which is only required to have one person to operate it? For example: if a Beech 99 is being flown under a cargo on-demand part 135 operation, and there is a captain and a first officer, but the f.o. is providing "crew member responsibilities", is the f.o. allowed to legally log total time as multi turbine time (SIC) even if the A/C is only required to have one pilot to operate it?
 
I beleive if it is in the companys opspecs to require two pilots, then yes its loggable.... If not, then no... I told that to executive air share when they tried to hire me and they made up some stuff that didnt sound legal, but whatever... Not my problem.
 
But what if the fleet is already being operated by single pilots, and they decide to start throwing f.o.'s in there so they can fly for 10 hours instead of just 8 since there would be a crew and not just one pilot...how would that be any different than the original setup?
 
So, can you log total time as SIC in an airplane which is only required to have one person to operate it? For example: if a Beech 99 is being flown under a cargo on-demand part 135 operation, and there is a captain and a first officer, but the f.o. is providing "crew member responsibilities", is the f.o. allowed to legally log total time as multi turbine time (SIC) even if the A/C is only required to have one pilot to operate it?
 
So, can you log total time as SIC in an airplane which is only required to have one person to operate it? For example: if a Beech 99 is being flown under a cargo on-demand part 135 operation, and there is a captain and a first officer, but the f.o. is providing "crew member responsibilities", is the f.o. allowed to legally log total time as multi turbine time (SIC) even if the A/C is only required to have one pilot to operate it?
 
Does this companies opspecs allow reduced takeoff minimums with 2 pilot crew? How about class II navigation with no autopilot (SIC in lieu of)?

Those are the two that allow my company to have "SIC's" logging flight time... although It is my interpretation that unless you are using the opspecs in question (i.e. reducing t/o mins or class II nav) the copilot cannot log the time. who knows though, I'm not a copilot for these pay for time schemes and I would advise anyone against it so I don't really care what they log. Its just not quality flight time no matter how you look at it or log it!
 
RogerWilco787 said:
So, can you log total time as SIC in an airplane which is only required to have one person to operate it? For example: if a Beech 99 is being flown under a cargo on-demand part 135 operation, and there is a captain and a first officer, but the f.o. is providing "crew member responsibilities", is the f.o. allowed to legally log total time as multi turbine time (SIC) even if the A/C is only required to have one pilot to operate it?
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You can never log SIC in a single pilot aircraft, simply total and multi time if the opspecs allow it. SIC is second in command of a 2 pilot airplane. It sounds like the company you have in question is FRE. I have never worked there but its my understanding that you could log it as SIC, since you will have that type on the 1900, you could log Multi and total time on the KingAir, since their opspecs require 2 pilots on it. On the 99 and any other craft that they normally operate single pilot though, I don't see it how you could legally do it.
 
Honestly, it depends on the OP specs I think. Think about all the guys flying ariund Citations that are single pilot airplanes with a captain that is SP on his type, that are required crew members per the company manuals that are logging it as SIC.
 
mshunter said:
Honestly, it depends on the OP specs I think.
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That's it. This is how we're able to operate a crew in a PC12. So if you have a friend who flies single pilot 135, you can't simply jump in the right seat and become required crew
 
You can never log SIC in a single pilot aircraft, simply total and multi time if the opspecs allow it AFAIK. SIC is second in command of a 2 pilot airplane. It sounds like the company you have in question is FRE. I have never worked there but its my understanding that you could log it as SIC, since you will have that type on the 1900, you could log Multi and total time on the KingAir, since their opspecs require 2 pilots on it. On the 99 and any other craft that they normally operate single pilot though, I don't see it how you could legally do it.
 
You talking about Amflight and Airnet?

Yes, it's allowed per ops specs. I've got plenty of that kind of type in my logbook from when I was at Amflight.

It's legal. Under part 135 rules we had the choice to dispatch with 1 or 2 pilots, and all pilots were trained to operate both single pilot and with two folks up front. It's legal, it's safe, and it's not frowned upon.

Now if you PURCHASE that time in the right seat, the purchasing is frowned upon by many communities, including this one.

Also consider that at Amflight we had a full training program for SIC's that would take a few weeks to get through, involved indoc, ground, sim and time in the aircraft, and then a checkride.
 
If the operation allows it to be logged, just log it as Total/Multi/SIC. No need to leave out SIC or whatever for some purpose. There are lots of former Cape Air FOs out flying RJs now because of C402 SIC time. No worries.
 
Pilotforhire587 said:
I believe the company in question Is Freight runners express
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As long as it's approved in the ops specs, it's allowed.

I have this type of time in my logbook, and I have trained people for this type of training, and sent them for checkrides at an air carrier for this type of flying.
 
Absolutely Not...
No no no and no...
Go see the Faa and ask them.
Look in far aim.
Insurance don't set the rules. Companies don't set the rules.

You have plane for 1 or mutipilot.that'all.

Of course eaglejet want make their money from you.



People coming back from USA and getting caa hours on UK are refused. Same for safety pilot.
Rules are clear,check your faa book.
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squeezemylemon said:
Absolutely Not...

Go see the Faa and ask them.

Of course eaglejet want make their money from you.



People coming back from USA and getting caa hours on UK are refused. Same for safety pilot.

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Pilotforhire587 said:
You can never log SIC in a single pilot aircraft, simply total and multi time if the opspecs allow it AFAIK. SIC is second in command of a 2 pilot airplane. It sounds like the company you have in question is FRE. I have never worked there but its my understanding that you could log it as SIC, since you will have that type on the 1900, you could log Multi and total time on the KingAir, since their opspecs require 2 pilots on it. On the 99 and any other craft that they normally operate single pilot though, I don't see it how you could legally do it.
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If an SIC is required than SIC is logged. How can you log just TT without logging anything else? If it's not PIC, and it's not SIC than what is it? 91k and company opspecs require an SIC, so SIC time is logged. Doesn't matter if the airplane is a single pilot aircraft or not. There's plenty of guys flying right seat in Caravans, single pilot jets and other light cabin class twins that are logging SIC time. So long as the company opspec requires it than you're good to go.
 
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