Almost but not quite.The 50nm cross country is only for private, instrument, and commercial, otherwise it’s every time you go to a different airport. I believe it’s 61.1
Yes. You are missing reading the rest of the regulation. It's long, with subparagraphs applicable to certificates and ratings other than the ones I bolded in the part you did read. Including this part:(C) That includes a landing at a point other than the point of departure; and
(D) That involves the use of dead reckoning, pilotage, electronic navigation aids, radio aids, or other navigation systems to navigate to the landing point.
(ii) For the purpose of meeting the aeronautical experience requirements (except for a rotorcraft category rating), for a private pilot certificate (except for a powered parachute category rating), a commercial pilot certificate, or an instrument rating, or for the purpose of exercising recreational pilot privileges (except in a rotorcraft) under §61.101 (c), time acquired during a flight
It’s doesn’t mention ATP, am I missing something? I was about to redo my logs but don’t want to have a mess when I go for ATP.
You are making two big assumptions here.Guess I prefer the KISS principle here. If you're not soley responsible for the aircraft, nor the principle and final decision maker of/for that aircraft during the time it's being operated, than you're not the PIC and can't/shouldn't be logging it as PIC time during 135/121 operations. How you and your buddy log flying around the grass strip in a single engine Cessna is up to you. 135/121 ops becomes a clear case of who's PIC vs SIC vs nobody.
Now if you're the type to spent endless hours searching the FAR's looking for what the meaning of *is* is in search of a loophole to log PIC, even though you know you weren't the acting or the assigned PIC of the flight, I would harshly question and scrutinize logging it as such if I were interviewing you. In my opionion, regardless of some loophole, you're either the PIC, SIC or in the "dual given/received" column. Shouldn't be a grey area...
Strictly speaking you can't log anything you want. The FAA's standard penalty for intentional falsification of your logbook is revocation of all certificates and ratings.Best explanation I've heard on this is: if you were to no-show for the flight, could the flight still depart with just the remaining crewmember and be legal to do so under it's originally scheduled part (91/91k/135)? Forget company policy and insurance requirements. The only factor is whether the flight would be legal in the eyes of the FAA. If the answer is yes, you are not a required crewmember and should not log the time. If no, you are a required crewmember and should log the time. As for logging PIC on top of it...oooof. I wouldn't go down that rabbit hole.
Here's something else to consider: eventually, human beings will look at your logbooks for a job you really really want. The loopholes or interpretations that you come up with now are really just for you to convince yourself. Someone else may disagree. The regs aren't cheat codes. Logging PIC in a 135 op without a PIC qualification is going to raise eyebrows. Do you want to be defending your time based on a conditional interpretation of a 3-paragraph reg? Coming up with creative ways to log time you probably shouldn't be logging doesn't look so great and you ultimately hurt yourself at the end of the day. Maybe you can piece together a justification for logging PIC time as an SIC for an operation that doesn't require one, in an aircraft that doesn't require one...but that's a conversation I'd rather avoid altogether.
Strictly speaking, you can log anything you want. Go nuts. The question is whether anyone who matters will count it. Some people are happy to argue their case and it doesn't bother them. I'm not one. I like to keep things neat and clear cut.
Strictly speaking you can't log anything you want. The FAA's standard penalty for intentional falsification of your logbook is revocation of all certificates and ratings.
But it really is interesting that so many people say the logging flight time in accordance with the FAA's long-standing rules will raise eyebrows at a 135 or 121 operator. Makes one wonder what other FAA rules they "raise eyebrows" at.
Would make an interest headline, eh? "Airline rejects pilots who follow FAA rules."
Strictly speaking you can't log anything you want. The FAA's standard penalty for intentional falsification of your logbook is revocation of all certificates and ratings.
We "hear" all sorts of things.Splitting hairs, but I always heard you could log anything. You can write your nanna's cookie recipe in your logbook if you wanted to. The violation would occur if you tried to use what you logged as the basis for currency, representing actual flight time, etc etc. Your logbook is yours, but what you report must be documented and must be accurate. Or I could be all wrong.
Any job (that was really worth having, that is) only did a cursory glance at mine to make sure I was roughly telling the truth about my experience.Here's something else to consider: eventually, human beings will look at your logbooks for a job you really really want. The loopholes or interpretations that you come up with now are really just for you to convince yourself. Someone else may disagree. The regs aren't cheat codes. Logging PIC in a 135 op without a PIC qualification is going to raise eyebrows. Do you want to be defending your time based on a conditional interpretation of a 3-paragraph reg? Coming up with creative ways to log time you probably shouldn't be logging doesn't look so great and you ultimately hurt yourself at the end of the day. Maybe you can piece together a justification for logging PIC time as an SIC for an operation that doesn't require one, in an aircraft that doesn't require one...but that's a conversation I'd rather avoid altogether.
You are making two big assumptions here.
One is that your rules are more important than the FAA's rules and should apply when logging flight time toward FAA certificates, ratings, flight privileges and currency. The second is that something the FAA set up and consistently interpreted for 40 years or more is a "loophole."
OTOH, if you would need "endless hours" to decipher a few sentences written in pretty plain English, I'd avoid that interview too , although I know that "acting as PIC" and "logging PIC flight time" being two distinct and separate things is not exactly the most intuitive concept to grasp.
From an employers perspective.... if I were interviewing you and I reviewed your logbook you better believe that I’m going to ask about this PIC you are logging. Moreover if you use it to qualify for an interview you might find yourself being shown the door because you are alleging, on paper, that your current employer has hired you to operate the aircraft as a PIC which unless I’m mistaken... you have not. Be very careful if you decide to log the time for the purposes of applications/resumes... and be ready to defend your decision to log the time in a potential interview situation.
Pilots are not lawyers.