Logging PC12 Time

[Trr56]

I'm having trouble figuring this out. I've been able to fly right seat a few times in a PC12 with my Instructor. So far he has given me my high altitude endorsement, but need a few more flights to get the high performance. I already have a complex endorsement. Can I log this dual given as PIC, or must I wait till I get the high performance as well? According to what I've read and what some of my coworkers think, it is only based on category and class, so I should be able to log it even without the endorsements.

Thoughts?

Thanks

 

[TwoTwoLeft]

If he is providing the required instruction to you for the endorsements and endorsing your logbook as such and you are SEL class rated then yes.

 

[T/O w/FSII]

Dual received and PIC. Your instructor should be signing your logbook for each flight.

PC12 or 182, it doesn't matter.

 

[tlove482]

You can't log PIC until you have the endorsement. 61.31

 

[TrustMeI'maPilot]

You can't log PIC until you have the endorsement. 61.31

An endorsement is not a requirement to log PIC.

 

[tlove482]

Oh. I was looking at the reg for complex. Misread the question.

 

[tlove482]

Actually 61.31 addresses high performance as well. Is acting as pic the same as logging pic?

 

[TrustMeI'maPilot]

Actually 61.31 addresses high performance as well. Is acting as pic the same as logging pic?

It's actually not the same, there are ways to log PIC while not being able to act as PIC. You can still log PIC without an endorsement, there is a FAA interpretation that supports this. I would post a link but I have very limited service right now.

 

[juxtapilot]

You can't log PIC until you have the endorsement. 61.31

Oh. I was looking at the reg for complex. Misread the question.

Both are false, and commonly misunderstood...

Logging PIC ≠ Acting as PIC

Here's the FAA's take on it.

 

[TwoTwoLeft]

You can't ACT as PIC until you have the endorsement. 61.31

FIFY

 

[Trr56]

Awesome thanks everyone! @juxtapilot that PDF is especially useful, thanks!