MidlifeFlyer
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The shutting up part is unfortunately rare.
Logging of PIC during instrument training?
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z987k
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It's a good lesson to just learn now. Don't just straight trust anything someone says if you're actually going to have to do something with that information (go fly). I've have POI's from FSDO's sit there and tell me things that are not remotely true. I've had a DE come up with some pretty off the wall stuff.
The only authorities that you can actually trust(and can verify what someone said) is 14CFR, FAA Order 8900.1 and written interpretations from the FAA's chief counsel office. The only person I would trust to get the law correct would be an aviation attorney, not a CFI, not a DE and certainly not a fed.
Moral - Verify yourself.
FAYEV
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Yea. A Records Department. We have hundreds and hundreds of students. Half of whom operate under FAA rules AS WELL AS the operating rules of their own national aviation regulatory body. I sure as heck don't know what the flight time requirements are for certification in China, ergo we have a Records Department who DOES! When the FAA says "if your records are not in order, we will revoke your examining authority", I'd say that's pretty good motivation to have a Records Department.
UND didn't just make up a BS department for the fun of it. There are actual reasons here. Again, the Records Department makes NO changes to anybody's logbook! NOR do they decide whether it's ok to log PIC at the same time as dual-received. At UND, to satisfy the FAA and the other regulatory bodies, we log in the logbook AND on a computerized database. The Records Departmemt simply cross-checks the two against other, again, to satisfy the FAA and the other regulatory bodies, NOT TO SATISFY UND!
inigo88
Composite-lover
Post of the thread right here. The bottom line is, the FAA's definition of PIC - for the purpose of obtaining an additional rating or satisfying recency of flight experience - is not the same as the airline's requirement for PIC time when applying for jobs. As long as you know there's a difference, you can plan accordingly by either keeping a separate "sole manipulator" PIC column, or just subtracting the concurrent PIC/Dual when the time comes to apply for the airlines.
As a lowly Private Pilot trying to build the PIC cross country for the Instrument Rating, I am logging every bit of PIC cross-country I am legally entitled to log, and I will subtract the relevant time when the time comes to apply for jobs (which feels like a LONG way in the future).
flyingbum said:
Along the same lines, I logged all my tailwheel training as PIC. Tailwheel is an endorsement, not a rating, and that looks like a single engine land airplane to me!
Autothrust Blue
“If you jump on my shift, that’s just rude, man.”
Companies who have cared: zero.
AirlineApps considers dual received and PIC to be exclusive propositions...I think. Which is silly.
KSCessnaDriver
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I don't think it's really going to matter any more. By the time you get to ATP minimums, to get that 121 job, you've already got to have a bunch of PIC time.
CoffeeIcePapers
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That is only a recordkeeping issue with their website.
Autothrust Blue
“If you jump on my shift, that’s just rude, man.”
Aware.
With the exception of a large airline headquartered in DFW, my logbook has been an afterthought for all interviews.
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