Logging night and instrument time as PNF

ASpilot2be

ASpilot2be

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I always logged the night and instrument as the time I was flying. But somebody was mentioning I could log the time as PNF too because I was a required crew member. Is this true? The more I look at it, I think the answer is yes.
 
You're a required crew member. As SIC/PNF how have you been logging flights during the DAY? Or have you been logging?
 
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This is funny because this rumor is starting to circulate around XJT and people are seriously changing their logbooks "just in case". It doesn't even matter that I showed them this Letter from the Chief Counsel about logging instrument time as the PNF.

You first ask whether it would be proper under FAR 61.51(g) for a properly qualified SIC to log instrument flight time flown during instrument conditions while serving as the SIC in Part 121 operations on an aircraft that requires two crew members. The answer is yes. As a qualified SIC, and as a required crewmember, you are "operating" the aircraft within the meaning of FAR 61.51(g). Therefore, as the SIC operating the aircraft "solely by reference to instruments under actual or simulated instrument flight conditions," you would log that time as SIC flown in instrument conditions. Naturally, the PIC logs the time as PIC flown in instrument conditions.
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People seem to confuse currency regulations with every other logging regulation. The only time only one person can log something in a 2-crew aircraft is for currency requirements. Otherwise you may log everything as long as you are a required crew member under the regs.

Sadly there is one person in our training department that wont log PIC or SIC if the autopilot is on. Says he isn't operating the plane so he can't log PIC.
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Maurus said:
@ASpilot2be

This is funny because this rumor is starting to circulate around XJT and people are seriously changing their logbooks "just in case". It doesn't even matter that I showed them this Letter from the Chief Counsel about logging instrument time as the PNF.



People seem to confuse currency regulations with every other logging regulation. The only time only one person can log something in a 2-crew aircraft is for currency requirements. Otherwise you may log everything as long as you are a required crew member under the regs.

Sadly there is one person in our training department that wont log PIC or SIC if the autopilot is on. Says he isn't operating the plane so he can't log PIC.
:bang:
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It's funny how badly some out there misinterpret the regs. Someone I worked with had an instrument student who was well short of the required 50 XC PIC, so he sent his student into a AATD sim to "fly some cross countries" because "61.65 say's only 10 of the 50 have to be in airplanes" Derp...
 
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