Logging landings...

BTAcola

BTAcola

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Quick question... assume that one has a Chief Pilot that does not let him do many landings at all-

Now- for the sake of currency- im only rated SIC in the hawker- no PIC- so does that mean that- since it has been literally over 3 months since ive landed the plane (we didnt fly much in dec/jan), that I am now no longer current... id assume do.

OR does that mean on his landings, since im a required crew member.. i can log the landings as well- even though im not the "sole manipulator" of the flight controls?

so- if on my flight tomorrow- the FAA inspected my logbook and said- You are not current- I guess that means I AM NOT current... or can I log the landings?

Since I never really did the CFI too long- Im using that as my get out of jail card- but I should still know this- i know-....

so for currency sake-- yes long the landings.. or no and tell the CA that Im out of currency and need to log a few?

Thanks for the embarrassing help...

Brent C.
 
You have to physically do the landings. You cannot log someone else's landings.
 
See reply from Poser. It references the SIC requirements; and it is 12 months. Look at it though because everyone assumes it is just 3 landings - somewhere you have to do "engine out procedures and maneuvering with an engine out while executing the duties of pilot in command". That is pretty vague - assuming you reviewed the single engine procedures on the ground, pulled an engine in the downwind, executed the procedures and maneuvered the airplane for some time I guess you would meet it. Not something you can do with pax in the back though.

Also talks about "CRM". Also vague.

You do have to be the one flying. Absolutely.
 
Now, are we talking Part 91, or 135?

The 135, I can see the annual 293 needing to be done which covers the 3 landings, but I was assuming the OP was talking about landing currency. Not 135 currency.
 
Crockrocket94 said:
Now, are we talking Part 91, or 135?

The 135, I can see the annual 293 needing to be done which covers the 3 landings, but I was assuming the OP was talking about landing currency. Not 135 currency.
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Neither...this is straight up 61. Looks like the operation is not a factor. In order to act as SIC you have to do the things listed in the reg reference above. I could be totally off base, so I leave the final verdict up to someone with more experience than me.

The three takeoffs and landings is a requirement to act as PIC. SIC has its own set of requirements outlined in 61.55. If you want to act as SIC you have to do that...if you want to act as PIC then you fall under the 3 t/os and landings.
 
poser765 said:
Neither...this is straight up 61. Looks like the operation is not a factor. In order to act as SIC you have to do the things listed in the reg reference above. I could be totally off base, so I leave the final verdict up to someone with more experience than me.

The three takeoffs and landings is a requirement to act as PIC. SIC has its own set of requirements outlined in 61.55. If you want to act as SIC you have to do that...if you want to act as PIC then you fall under the 3 t/os and landings.
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Yes- all flights are part 91- and after reviewing 61.55... you are correct sir- I do NOT need to log any landings expect the 3 that are required to be to a full stop- and this is only once every 12cal. months... plus all the other CRM, engine out procedures.. etc etc..

I got me a FAR AIM to ponder for awhile and read up on its rules. Thanks for the help... I don't have to worry about logging the landings or not now.

THANKS

Brent
 
No problem. Glad I could help. The down side is you can't use the three landings in 90 days to get some more stick time from boss. That sucks.
 
sounds like a crappy boss/captain, whatever!

He should give you as many landings as possible! I hated flying with captains that never let me fly... it sucks
 
You can log the landings the chief does, they just don't count toward currency. If you do log all landings, be sure to note which ones are currency landings or not.
 
SIUav8er said:
what would be the point of logging a landing you didnt do?
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For me it is to show how many landings were done in training, no need to put it in comments when there is already a slot. As far as other applications there really is no big reason. I was just answering the question. If anything it would just be a good backup for the PIC, assuming you are flying the with the same guy all the time.

I also argue, how can you prove you landed and XYZ airport for a x-country if you didn't log a landing?
 
didnt they change the rule for landings for cross country? It was from thoes B-2 bomber guys that would fly to the other side of the world, drop bombs then head back to the states, and at the time they couldnt log it as X-country. . . but I think they have changed that now. . .
Also, what happens if something happens to the Chief pilot while in flight and you need to land? Shouldnt you be in practice for landing in case something happens? Sounds like the guy needs to think outside the box a bit!

Isnt that why you are there?!?!?!?! JERK!!!
 
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