Logging Landings as a CFI
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WestIndian425
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Usually, as long as I had to take the controls and assist with the landings, I log them. Once they are able to do it on their own, I don't log the landings.
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jrh
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Here's the question I ask you: why log it?
Anymore, the only reason I log landings is to stay current. And the currency reg clearly states that I must be sole manipulator of the controls, therefore landings when helping a student don't count--you're not sole manipulator in that case.
However, if you think it's interesting to total how many landings you've sat through, go ahead and log it. There's nothing wrong with logging them. It's just that they're not worth anything.
Anymore, the only reason I log landings is to stay current. And the currency reg clearly states that I must be sole manipulator of the controls, therefore landings when helping a student don't count--you're not sole manipulator in that case.
However, if you think it's interesting to total how many landings you've sat through, go ahead and log it. There's nothing wrong with logging them. It's just that they're not worth anything.
MidlifeFlyer
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Not for currency. Look at the reg "sole manipulator"
MidlifeFlyer
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Just an addition - Maybe. If you log them in the same column, how does the FAA know just by looking at your logbook whether they were logged for currency or not?jrh said:
Snickersnwa
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61.57
"(a) General experience. (1) Except as provided in paragraph (e) of this section, no person may act as a pilot in command of an aircraft carrying passengers or of an aircraft certificated for more than one pilot flight crewmember unless that person has made at least three takeoffs and three landings within the preceding 90 days, and—
(i) The person acted as the sole manipulator of the flight controls; and
(ii) The required takeoffs and landings were performed in an aircraft of the same category, class, and type (if a type rating is required), and, if the aircraft to be flown is an airplane with a tailwheel, the takeoffs and landings must have been made to a full stop in an airplane with a tailwheel."
Not to be super picky here... but if you're logging the landings for currency, are you also fulfilling the requirement of three takeoffs as being the "sole manipulator of the controls?" I know we don’t log takeoffs, but to truly satisfy this reg takeoffs are required too… So, I don't log those landings that I "save" towards my currency, because I'm not demonstrating a whole lot of takeoffs. Just my 2 cents...
"(a) General experience. (1) Except as provided in paragraph (e) of this section, no person may act as a pilot in command of an aircraft carrying passengers or of an aircraft certificated for more than one pilot flight crewmember unless that person has made at least three takeoffs and three landings within the preceding 90 days, and—
(i) The person acted as the sole manipulator of the flight controls; and
(ii) The required takeoffs and landings were performed in an aircraft of the same category, class, and type (if a type rating is required), and, if the aircraft to be flown is an airplane with a tailwheel, the takeoffs and landings must have been made to a full stop in an airplane with a tailwheel."
Not to be super picky here... but if you're logging the landings for currency, are you also fulfilling the requirement of three takeoffs as being the "sole manipulator of the controls?" I know we don’t log takeoffs, but to truly satisfy this reg takeoffs are required too… So, I don't log those landings that I "save" towards my currency, because I'm not demonstrating a whole lot of takeoffs. Just my 2 cents...
flyguy
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I'm not trying to use my student's landings for currency or anything, but I'm wondering if there is some regulation that states that a logbook entry must contain a landing or that if it is in the student's logbook it must be in the instructor's logbook also, or anyting else along those lines. I don't know of any regulation, nor can I find one, but wanted to ask to make sure before I screw up my logbook. I don't want some fed or airline interviewr looking at my logbook wondering how I made a flight and didn't land. But if I'm not supposed to log those landings, that would explain it, so that's why I'm asking.
MidlifeFlyer
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There is no such regulation.flyguy said:
EatSleepFly
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flyguy said:Okay thank you.
If you really feel a need to keep track, I used to do this:
If we did 8 landings, and I demonstrated (or took the controls) on two of them, I'd write 2/8 in my landings column. If they did all of them, I'd put 0/8.
It seemed like a good idea at the time. Looking back on it, I guess it was kind of pointless.
flyguy
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I use logbook pro, and it won't let you do that. Not to mention that logging what appears to be fractions of a landing might generate more confusion than no landing at all. But that's okay. Like I said, I'm not concerned with logging my student's landings unless I'm supposed to log them.EatSleepFly said:
Timbuff10
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I hate this reg... When I first started instructing, I logged landings that I assisted on. At the beginning stages, that is virtually every landing. Lately I have just been logging for currency so I will always have to explain that if someone asks why I have so many landings when I first started instructing.
I suppose you could say that when you are saving a landing you are the sole manipulator even though the student was trying to land and he had his hands on the controls. All you have to say is that the student was just holding on for the ride to feel what you are doing but you actually landed the plane.
On that note, one of my students found the flare today so I have not been logging any landings flying with him. I did log the one where the student tried to land about 20 feet short of the runway though. That one was all mine to log!
I suppose you could say that when you are saving a landing you are the sole manipulator even though the student was trying to land and he had his hands on the controls. All you have to say is that the student was just holding on for the ride to feel what you are doing but you actually landed the plane.
On that note, one of my students found the flare today so I have not been logging any landings flying with him. I did log the one where the student tried to land about 20 feet short of the runway though. That one was all mine to log!
I put them all in the logbook. I've marked my logs with a star since being a CFI to note when I am meeting a currency requirement. I put everything in, because students do lose stuff. I've had to assist recreating records more than once.
I keep a record on my clipboard of flights, in addition to notes I took. That is step one of my logging, with a little chart showing name, plane, date, time, notes, and what is planned for next time. I also put things in a standard paper logbook. And, I keep a digital record as well, which is backed up a few places. I get to check myself by making sure these things all match.
I keep a record on my clipboard of flights, in addition to notes I took. That is step one of my logging, with a little chart showing name, plane, date, time, notes, and what is planned for next time. I also put things in a standard paper logbook. And, I keep a digital record as well, which is backed up a few places. I get to check myself by making sure these things all match.
jrh
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Stonefly said:
That's true, neither of you can log it--for currency. But let's be honest, when was the last time a student pilot needed to worry about currency to carry passengers?
In training, all you're doing is logging landings for the sake of your own curiousity. It's more of an ego boost for the pilot to be able to say, "Cool, I made my 100th landing today," than it is needed for any sort of legal requirement (aside from maybe the reg requiring instruction to be logged).
Stonefly said:
The regs don't require you to log anything except what is used for currency or for furtherance of a rating.
Right now I'm instrument current and night current, and I'll stay current in both of those areas for at least another two months. I can fly hundreds of hours, in all sorts of conditions, for the next two months, and I don't have to log a darn thing.
To answer your question--yes, those flights would happen. If I busted a reg or crashed a plane on one of those flights, you bet it happened. There is nothing magical about not logging a flight...you still have to follow the rules, you're still PIC, you still have to be current, and it is still flight experience. The only issue is, if I don't log them, they don't count for currency or a certificate.
Stonefly
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Bravo, Panjet. Well thought out answer though, jrh. I especially liked the part about the flight actually happening & nothing being magical about not logging a flight. I'll keep that in mind!PanJet said:Great answer JRH, but if I'm not mistaken, I think Stonefly was just playing the devil's advocate for a bit of humor.
Stonefly