Logging Ground Training

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azaviator08

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Just wondering if I could get everyones opinion about logging ground time in students logbook.

None of my instructors ever logged the ground that we did in my logbook.

But, it has come up recently and the technical answer seems to that yes you need to log the ground instruction that you do in the logbook.

It just seems that eventually the logbook will be full from all the ground that you are putting in there.

What about if you are at a 141 place? We have records for all of the students that we can look back on and see what was covered in every ground session. Do I still need to log this in the student logbook.

What about the ground that you do before a lesson? It just seems kind of ridiculous to me. :crazy:
 
azaviator08 said:
What about if you are at a 141 place? We have records for all of the students that we can look back on and see what was covered in every ground session. Do I still need to log this in the student logbook.
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Can't imagine you do. That's a training record. Should be good to go. I put everything on "training forms" I have created for my own (part 61 training) use.

If I can find my 141 stuff one of these days, I'll be happy to share some of that with anyone interested...the hard part is finding it.

-mini
 
For part 61 I would log some ground showing that you went over what the REGs say you need to go over.

As you stated about part 141, everything you cover is on record.
 
Even if you're doing 141, a lot of examiners like to see the required ground training specifically logged in a student's logbook. For 61, it's a must.
 
I had one of my older CFIs log ground training. The only other time I would think you would log it in the book is if you were using it as a 141 training record (as opposed to the folders most schools use).

Also if you are not becomming a CFI but going for your ground instructor certificate you have to present the FAA with endorsements and proof of ground training from an authroized CFI or ground instructor. So that may be when you will use it.
 
jake.durham said:
I had one of my older CFIs log ground training. The only other time I would think you would log it in the book is if you were using it as a 141 training record (as opposed to the folders most schools use).

Also if you are not becomming a CFI but going for your ground instructor certificate you have to present the FAA with endorsements and proof of ground training from an authroized CFI or ground instructor. So that may be when you will use it.
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It is required to be logged, but obviously, not every instructor knows or cares enough to do it.

Sec. 61.189 - Flight instructor records.
(a) A flight instructor must sign the logbook of each person to whom that instructor has given flight training or ground training.
(b) A flight instructor must maintain a record in a logbook or a separate document that contains the following:
(1) The name of each person whose logbook or student pilot certificate that instructor has endorsed for solo flight privileges, and the date of the endorsement; and
(2) The name of each person that instructor has endorsed for a knowledge test or practical test, and the record shall also indicate the kind of test, the date, and the results. (c) Each flight instructor must retain the records required by this section for at least 3 years.
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Actually that is a good point. I forgot about that one. There are certain pt61 regs that require you to show logged ground time. Although there are not a specific amount of hours (like under pt 141) in persuance of say a PPL ticket, things like complex a/c, high horsepower, and flight reviews state must log flight AND ground time. Flight review requires you log 1 hour of ground. Of course I had an older instructor who swore that by giving the endorsement that meant you certified the ground time.
 
azaviator08 said:
Just wondering if I could get everyones opinion about logging ground time in students logbook.

None of my instructors ever logged the ground that we did in my logbook.

But, it has come up recently and the technical answer seems to that yes you need to log the ground instruction that you do in the logbook.

It just seems that eventually the logbook will be full from all the ground that you are putting in there.

What about if you are at a 141 place? We have records for all of the students that we can look back on and see what was covered in every ground session. Do I still need to log this in the student logbook.

What about the ground that you do before a lesson? It just seems kind of ridiculous to me. :crazy:
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One other point. As a CFI you work for the student, not the school. Yes, the school pays your salary, but you still work for the student.
I have had cases of students coming from 141 schools who could not get their records. No records= no proof of ground being given. In one case the students log book had NO CFI signatures. He had lots of flight time, but the CFI had never signed the entries. He had been told that the information was in the 141 records so it was not needed in the logbook. I had to inform the student that until he got the CFIs signature, none of the flight time counted. However I also told him that if the CFI or the school gave him a hard time about it he could always contact the FSDO as the FAA has and will take action against CFIs who refuse to sign logbooks.
 
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