Logging actual instrument time

tgrayson said:
Doesn't really matter....the interpretation exists and is somewhat plausible, so it becomes the law.
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I dunno. The interpretation says "Actual (IMC)" and then says the pilot decides what is actual instrument conditions. Hence why I say it didn't help anything.

Codyjp said:
If we were to go by the night over the desert idea than a pilot could have logged actual IFR time, while flying under VFR flight rules without an Instrument rating.

As opposed to splitting each individual hair, can we just... for one little minute... ready for this... wait for it... think Practically?
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That's just it. How can we have a new private pilot flying VFR and then have an IFR pilot logging actual in the same area and both be legal? The practical solution would be that it isn't actual instrument conditions.
 
Maurus said:
That's just it. How can we have a new private pilot flying VFR and then have an IFR pilot logging actual in the same area and both be legal? The practical solution would be that it isn't actual instrument conditions.
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Who says a private pilot can't legally log instrument time (log...remember, we're talking logging here) under VFR without an instrument rating?

You don't have to have an instrument rating to log instrument time.

-mini
 
Well that is it then. I am just going to fill out some extra actual in my log since I was staring at my instruments at the beginning of private and commercial training and not looking outside. Obviously I didn't know any better and that would be actual instrument.

:sarcasm:
 
Maurus said:
Well that is it then. I am just going to fill out some extra actual in my log since I was staring at my instruments at the beginning of private and commercial training and not looking outside. Obviously I didn't know any better and that would be actual instrument.

:sarcasm:
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I'm not sure who said to do that, but the sarcasm is duly noted.

-mini
 
minitour said:
I'm not sure who said to do that, but the sarcasm is duly noted.

-mini
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Just an in general statement and wasn't directed at anyone specifically. The interpretation for Mr. Carr basically said that you can make up your own definition of "actual instrument flight conditions" so long as you can justify it.
 
minitour said:
Who says a private pilot can't legally log instrument time (log...remember, we're talking logging here) under VFR without an instrument rating?

You don't have to have an instrument rating to log instrument time.

-mini
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Then an IFR applicant could show up to a checkride with 25 hours of SOLO PIC CROSS COUNTRY INSTRUMENT flight time and 15 hours of instrument instruction and meet the requirements for the Instrument checkride?

You can't really be serious can you?
 
Codyjp said:
Then an IFR applicant could show up to a checkride with 25 hours of SOLO PIC CROSS COUNTRY INSTRUMENT flight time and 15 hours of instrument instruction and meet the requirements for the Instrument checkride?
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Legal - Check.
Smart - *cricket* *cricket*
They still wouldn't meet the requirements for an instrument rating with just what you have posted.


You can't really be serious can you?
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You can't seriously believe that there is a reg that would prevent it can you? If you really believe that, can you cite it?

-mini
 
minitour said:
Legal - Check.
Smart - *cricket* *cricket*
They still wouldn't meet the requirements for an instrument rating with just what you have posted.


You can't seriously believe that there is a reg that would prevent it can you? If you really believe that, can you cite it?

-mini
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Ok, so your arguing for the sake of arguing. Fair enough, and in that case, I think you win.

Just because there isn't a law saying you can't doesn't make it a good idea.

Maybe they need to add this reg to the FAR's:

91.2 Don't do stupid stuff. :beer:
 
Codyjp said:
Ok, so your arguing for the sake of arguing.
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No, I just happen to believe that if you're going to discuss something that you generally care more about at lower time (when it matters for certificate or rating prerequisites) that you should be as accurate as possible. Lots of private pilots (or student pilots) could read the thread and they should probably be reading accurate information. That whole primacy thing. As an instructor, you should know that.

Just because there isn't a law saying you can't doesn't make it a good idea.
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I never said it was. I just said it was legal, which you seemed to think was incorrect.

-mini
 
minitour said:
No, I just happen to believe that if you're going to discuss something that you generally care more about at lower time (when it matters for certificate or rating prerequisites) that you should be as accurate as possible. Lots of private pilots (or student pilots) could read the thread and they should probably be reading accurate information. That whole primacy thing. As an instructor, you should know that.

I never said it was. I just said it was legal, which you seemed to think was incorrect.

-mini
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So your suggesting a pilot log night flight time while over water or desert as Actual IFR then?

I'm suggesting people use a bit of common sense, but it certainly seems that has become a limited commodity in aviation.
 
Codyjp said:
So your suggesting a pilot log night flight time while over water or desert as Actual IFR then?
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What I would suggest is irrelevant to this discussion. What is relevant is what they are legally permitted to do. I wasn't getting into the legal vs. smart debate. Just the legal one.

-mini
 
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