Logging "actual" in "visual" conditions

Minnesota_Flyer

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Logging \"actual\" in \"visual\" conditions

Another view on a much debated topic. From AOPA e-Pilot:

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Q: The other day I made a VFR night flight in which part of my route was flown over a large body of water. Although the flight was in visual conditions, there were no outside references to help me determine which way was up or down without using the aircraft's instruments. As an instrument-rated pilot, can I log this flight time as actual instrument flight time even though I wasn't in the clouds?

A: Yes, the FAA's Office of Chief Counsel has issued a letter of interpretation, dated November 1984, which states the following: "Actual instrument conditions may occur during a flight on a moonless night over the ocean with no discernible horizon, if use of the instruments is necessary to maintain adequate control over the aircraft. The determination of whether such a flight could be logged under 14 CFR Part 61 Section 61.51 is subjective and based in part on the sound judgment of the pilot. The logbook entry should include the reasons for determining the flight was under actual instrument conditions in the event the entry is challenged."

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Re: Logging \"actual\" in \"visual\" conditions

And why set yourself up to have your logbook challenged?

I've flown over dark/unlit terrain (ie the high desert in Arizona, Utah, Colorado, New Mexico etc) (there I was drawing a comparison to over ocean/featureless terrain) and while it can get you disoriented it's not the same as flying in the clouds with ZERO outside references.

I think the FAA made the right move making it "pilot's discretion" but I think it's also kinda unethical to rack up actual instrument time in VFR conditions.

Who ever said pilots had sound judgment anyway?
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Re: Logging \"actual\" in \"visual\" conditions

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And why set yourself up to have your logbook challenged?

I've flown over dark/unlit terrain (ie the high desert in Arizona, Utah, Colorado, New Mexico etc) (there I was drawing a comparison to over ocean/featureless terrain) and while it can get you disoriented it's not the same as flying in the clouds with ZERO outside references.

I think the FAA made the right move making it "pilot's discretion" but I think it's also kinda unethical to rack up actual instrument time in VFR conditions.

Who ever said pilots had sound judgment anyway?
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Agree.
 
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