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That being said, why would one wear a hood in IMC anyway? I'm not talking wearing the hood and tooling through a broken layer or cumulus cloud here and there (with, of course, a safety pilot). I'm talking about solid IMC. Why would you have a hood on anyway? You're vision is already restricted adequately. Do we need double-redundancy now?

[/ QUOTE ]I took the original question to mean the scattered/broken situation we usually encounter. In solid IMC, you're right.

But there is one reason that it happens. There's the recurring story about the instrument student who gets up into real IMC with his instructor for the first time. He's had the hood on all along and the CFI tells him to take it off. The student doesn't like it one bit and asks to put the hood back on, and that's how the flight continues. Solid IMC and under the hood.

Your other comment about beating the topic to death? I'm stuck at home today with nothing to do and Ralgha and I ended up having a purely academic discussion about the ins and outs of how those regs are written. (You'll note that although we disagreed completely on a lot, not one puff of smoke appeared). Some see it as mental exercise; others as a waste of time. Those who see it as mental exercise can participate as either contributors or readers. Those who see it as a waste of time shouldn't waste their time.
 
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That being said, why would one wear a hood in IMC anyway?

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Because there are people that would sell their sister for an hour of flight time and it's a way for two people to log the time.
 
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Your other comment about beating the topic to death? I'm stuck at home today with nothing to do

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You too eh?
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and Ralgha and I ended up having a purely academic discussion about the ins and outs of how those regs are written. (You'll note that although we disagreed completely on a lot, not one puff of smoke appeared). Some see it as mental exercise; others as a waste of time. Those who see it as mental exercise can participate as either contributors or readers. Those who see it as a waste of time shouldn't waste their time.

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I like discussions like this.
 
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I like discussions like this.

[/ QUOTE ]On a more practical note, considering the general weather where you live and where I live, I could probably use some instrument work with you, preferably without the hood.
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That being said, why would one wear a hood in IMC anyway? I'm not talking wearing the hood and tooling through a broken layer or cumulus cloud here and there (with, of course, a safety pilot). I'm talking about solid IMC. Why would you have a hood on anyway? You're vision is already restricted adequately. Do we need double-redundancy now?

[/ QUOTE ]I took the original question to mean the scattered/broken situation we usually encounter. In solid IMC, you're right.

But there is one reason that it happens. There's the recurring story about the instrument student who gets up into real IMC with his instructor for the first time. He's had the hood on all along and the CFI tells him to take it off. The student doesn't like it one bit and asks to put the hood back on, and that's how the flight continues. Solid IMC and under the hood.

Your other comment about beating the topic to death? I'm stuck at home today with nothing to do and Ralgha and I ended up having a purely academic discussion about the ins and outs of how those regs are written. (You'll note that although we disagreed completely on a lot, not one puff of smoke appeared). Some see it as mental exercise; others as a waste of time. Those who see it as mental exercise can participate as either contributors or readers. Those who see it as a waste of time shouldn't waste their time.

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That's fair. It seemed like some were talking about solid vs partial IMC, now it's clarified more. Thought exercises are cool. I was just thinking we had one of those "I have a "friend" who's wondering if he should log his 1.2 as actual when he was safety pilot....and oh yeah, he was wondering about PIC too," type questions going. You know, something real-world that the person doesn't want to just come out and ask?
 
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On a more practical note, considering the general weather where you live and where I live, I could probably use some instrument work with you, preferably without the hood.
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That would be great, except that I moved to Fresno, CA recently and there's not much for clouds down here right now. I don't plan to stay here forever though, much too hot and dry for me...
 
Boy, I go away for a few hours and I miss all the fun.

I for one like these mental gymnastics--although they may appear trivial to some, they help many of us get the big picture and apply the rules, at least academically.

BTW, Mark/Ralph, come to my neck of the woods, we had rain and overcast for most of the day.
 
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Why would you have a hood on anyway? You're vision is already restricted adequately. Do we need double-redundancy now?

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To add to what MidLife already said about the IMC virgin, I know some guys that actually get SICK when they go into clouds. If they put the hood on, then they settle down a bit. It's one of those things they REALLY hope goes away with time and experience. Would suck to be tooling along single pilot, go through IMC and have to put the hood on to keep from tossing your cookies. Makes it tough to know when you break out of the clouds.
 
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Why would you have a hood on anyway? You're vision is already restricted adequately. Do we need double-redundancy now?

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To add to what MidLife already said about the IMC virgin, I know some guys that actually get SICK when they go into clouds. If they put the hood on, then they settle down a bit. It's one of those things they REALLY hope goes away with time and experience. Would suck to be tooling along single pilot, go through IMC and have to put the hood on to keep from tossing your cookies. Makes it tough to know when you break out of the clouds.

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Guys that get sick when going into the clouds.....but can fly under a hood........

....likely shouldn't be flying IMC at all.
 
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I for one like these mental gymnastics--although they may appear trivial to some, they help many of us get the big picture and apply the rules, at least academically.



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Better to be concerned with what applies in reality.
 
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Guys that get sick when going into the clouds.....but can fly under a hood........

....likely shouldn't be flying IMC at all.

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Ultimately true. After all, the ticket won't be that useful in a practical sense if they can't go flying solo or with non-pilots. One hopes the brief exposures acclimates them more as time goes on.

Of not, well, at least they get the benefits of the more precise flying, understanding of the aircraft, and knowledge of the system that earning the instrument ticket tends to offer.
 
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I for one like these mental gymnastics--although they may appear trivial to some, they help many of us get the big picture and apply the rules, at least academically.



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Better to be concerned with what applies in reality.

[/ QUOTE ]Without doing one, you can't do the other.
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I for one like these mental gymnastics--although they may appear trivial to some, they help many of us get the big picture and apply the rules, at least academically.



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Better to be concerned with what applies in reality.

[/ QUOTE ]Without doing one, you can't do the other.
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It's all good!
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And agree. If a hood helps them somehow get used to IMC flying for a while, then cool. Just the concept sounds sort of weird when looked at logicially (even though it might work).
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