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Kestrel452

Kestrel452

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I am thinking about getting an electronic logbook program for my computer as backup. What are all the Macintosh users out there logging with? I downloaded the demo for LogTen Pro, but it seems a little unorganized.

BTW, what happens if you DO lose your logbook and you don't have it backed up?
 
You can run Logbook Pro on a MAC is you want to install Windows on your MAC. I think you will find it more organzined and more capable than Log Ten IMO.

If you don't have a backup you are pretty much S.O.L. with any logbook program. I would strongly suggest that you backup often and save your backups to removeable media (e.g. CD/R, USB Drive) or email a backup to yourself for safe keeping.

Logbook Pro also has a FREE demo if you want to try it out.
 
I have used both and LogTen Pro is much better then Logbook Pro. I guess that is just another reason macs are better.:buck::buck::buck:
 
I use LogTen Pro, and also have the mobile companion for the iPhone. Both have been great for my needs. LogTen Pro seems, to me, to be very organized. Dunno which "mode" you tried the demo in, but the 121 mode has all the pieces/parts I need, and a LOT I don't need.

The support for the iPhone part is pretty good as well. They put out updates on a fairly regular basis, and seem to be pretty responsive to the wants/needs of the users...yet another reason anything not MSFT-related is better :D
 
With each new rating you get when using IACRA, you type in your total hours logged . The examiners always emphasize that you can use the recorded hrs as a backup in case you lose your logbook. Another easy and cheap way for backing up your books is to just make photocopies and store them in a safe place.
 
I will add another rec for LogTen Pro and LogTen Mobile. Use both of them, and they work and function brilliantly.

I simply enter my flights into the ol' iPhone immediately after my flights and I am done! Sync it later with the Mac and no worries! I can even import my flights from CrewTrac or whatever you call it.

Now if I could just get all of my old flights entered from the non-electronic days! :)
 
hack1982 said:
With each new rating you get when using IACRA, you type in your total hours logged . The examiners always emphasize that you can use the recorded hrs as a backup in case you lose your logbook. Another easy and cheap way for backing up your books is to just make photocopies and store them in a safe place.
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Your past 8710's can serve as a record of your time in case you lose your e-log and paper logs. Also your total time is update on your medical application too which becomes part of your airman record.

bike21 said:
Now if I could just get all of my old flights entered from the non-electronic days! :)
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Did you know Logbook Pro has a data entry service? Also Logbook Pro is the only E-log sold and endorsed by Sporty's.
 
I evaluated both products. LogTen runs on a MAC, that's about all I can find that's "neat" about it other than the iPhone. Functionality wise it's extremely lacking, it's just a basic spreadsheet. Logbook Pro has a neat analysis system in the Analyzer that can "slice and dice" your flight times in just about any way, great for applications. The reporting is far more advanced, so many reports to choose from, LogTen's is extremely basic when it comes to printing. Logbook Pro has tremendous airline support with APDL for the PDA and the schedule importer system which they don't charge for, LogTen doesn't have any schedule capabilities.

So if you just want something that runs on a MAC natively, go for LogTen. If you want a logbook product that's feature rich, mature, and has so much to really make my life easier, Logbook Pro is the answer. I looked at LogTen's pricing too, their UPGRADE fee costs more than the full out price of Logbook Pro! Logbook Pro hasn't charged me for an upgrade since I bought it 9 years ago! They simply don't compare in my opinion! :)
 
Bandit_Driver said:
Also Logbook Pro is the only E-log sold and endorsed by Sporty's.
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You talking about the same Sportys that used to sell an idiotic stick-on retractable gear handle for non-retracts so students can learn that if they forget to put the gear down, nothing will happen?
 
LogTen Pro has an SIC time slot for flights, and I dont know if i should fill it in or not. Does my dual time count as second in command time, or should I just leave it blank? I forgot to ask my flight instructor...
 
Kestrel452 said:
LogTen Pro has an SIC time slot for flights, and I dont know if i should fill it in or not. Does my dual time count as second in command time, or should I just leave it blank? I forgot to ask my flight instructor...
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Nope, you're not a SIC. You just log it as dual received.
 
Kestrel452 said:
LogTen Pro has an SIC time slot for flights, and I dont know if i should fill it in or not. Does my dual time count as second in command time, or should I just leave it blank? I forgot to ask my flight instructor...
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No, it just goes in the DUAL column and Total Column. SIC is for when you serve as an SIC on an aircraft requiring one by its type certifcation or required by a company's ops spec.

After you receive your PPL you can log PIC and DUAL on the same flight with an instructor.
 
Kestrel452 said:
LogTen Pro has an SIC time slot for flights, and I dont know if i should fill it in or not. Does my dual time count as second in command time, or should I just leave it blank? I forgot to ask my flight instructor...
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Skip the flight instructor.

Instead, go to FAR 61.51, the "Universal Rule of Logging Time." Look for the part that says when you are permitted to log SIC time and tell us if you think your dual qualifies or not.
 
The electronic logbook question comes up a lot.

I'll add that there are some free options.

www.logshare.com

www.flightlogg.in

Both of these are internet based so you don't store your data on your computer. You can access your logbook from any computer/PDA/iPhone/G-Phone/etc. with an internet connection.

These are both good programs but might be lacking some of the features you'd get from a program you'd pay for. I'd recommend looking into these before spending some cash on LogbookPro or LogTen. If you ever want to "upgrade" and buy a software program you can easily get your logbook data from either of the free sites and import to your software.
 
If you have Excel or Access, you can write your own logbook program.

Make it individual, tailor it exactly to what YOU need it to be.

And, chances are, you probably already have at least Excel on your computer, AND you can run Excel on Mac with Parallels OR get the MS Office for Mac suite and run it direct without any Parallels or Boot Camp required.
 
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