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Long story short, I have an 11 hr discrepancy in my total time I just noticed (individual categories are ok, just the total time). It happened during the transition I made a few years ago from a little logbook to a big logbook. I've tallied 300+ hrs since then. To correct for this, I was thinking I would just deduct 11 hrs from the total amount forwarded on my next new page with either my initials or a small note and just move on. Would this be acceptable? I'm trying to button up my logbook a little bit as I start looking at reaching ATP mins in the next year.
 
Anything that makes sense, and doesn't look like you have something to hide (white-out, scribbled over, etc.) Personally, I'd make a line entry and put in the notes section something like: "Correction, error from page containing dates ___ to ___..."

I have several such entries in my logbooks. We're all human, and make mathematical errors. Nobody should even ask about it if you're aboveboard with it.
 
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Anything that makes sense, and doesn't look like you have something to hide (white-out, scribbled over, etc.) Personally, I'd make a line entry and put in the notes section something like: "Correction, error from page containing dates ___ to ___..."

I have several such entries in my logbooks. We're all human, and make mathematical errors. Nobody should even ask about it if you're aboveboard with it.
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The only thing that white out "hides" is bad math. My paper books are a train wreck of white out (the strips work really well) and scribbled corrections and yet I find myself gainfully employed.

Whoever started that idea that white out in a logbook is bad juju needs to get punched in the Sir Richard's Walnuts.
 
I recently created an excel logbook to back up my paper and to spit out some other numbers for me...

My training was all done in the "small" log and my commercial rides were the first two entries in my "big boy" log. Once I started I putting everything into,excel, I discovered I mis added a few columns. Everything was logged, just addition errors. At the time I had one entry left on my current paper logbook page and used it to make the adjustments in the columns needing them with the note why they were being adjusted.
 
uberman said:
I have an 11 hr discrepancy in my total time I just noticed (individual categories are ok, just the total time)
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Kind of locking the barn after the horse is gone, but for paper logbooks, the best advice I've ever heard is "entries in pen, totals in pencil."

The part of a paper logbook that contains totals is a bookkeeping convenience, not a regulatory requirement. Once I stared to use an electronic backup, I pretty much gave up entering any totals at all. When someone asked for totals I would use the eLog (which does even simple arithmetic better than me) and, if they wanted to see my logbook, put totals in the last filled page (in pencil ;))

Point is, if the problem is totals not line entries, don't sweat it. Even with line entries, corrections are no big deal.
 
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I found a small discrepancy in mine when I totaled up my 2015 numbers a couple months back... Making me rethink finishing my electronic logbook update...
 
I have had an electronic logbook since 2005, and Excel spreadsheet I adapted from several different templates I found online. I compiled about 10 years of military and civilian flying into it when I built it, and have had a decade of flying in it since then. I have about 2,500 line entries in it, and each line has, on average, 13 different columns of data entered into it. That's a ton of opportunity for error.

About every other year I do a detailed line-by-line audit of the electronic logbook using the original source documents (written logbook entries, military flight records and (now) airline flight records), and I *still* find errors. I still find errors in stuff that I've audited a half dozen times now!

Usually it is small stuff, like a 1.2 logged as a 1,2, but last year I found a 0.8 that was logged in one column as an 8.0.

Everyone strives to have a perfect logbook, and few of us (if any) actually have one. Mistakes happen, so correct them when you find them. The key is simply attempting to keep it as correct as you can, and having the attention to detail to even care about it in the first place.
 
I've used Logbook Pro for nearly ten years now. When I first started using it, I entered in my paper logs (about 1700 hours) and found a discrepancy of 6 hours or so. Nothing that affected any ratings requirements and even so, a bit late to care.

You know who knows about it? Me and now, everyone who reads this post. Even the one and only time I used my paper logs to interview, no one cared about the fixes I had made. Fix it neatly and keep going forward. And consider going electronically, either on your own or one of the commercially available programs. One of the upsides to the commercial programs is the ability to accurately and quickly generate breakdown or generate total times for applications or updating your resume.
 
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I have had an electronic logbook since 2005, and Excel spreadsheet I adapted from several different templates I found online. I compiled about 10 years of military and civilian flying into it when I built it, and have had a decade of flying in it since then. I have about 2,500 line entries in it, and each line has, on average, 13 different columns of data entered into it. That's a ton of opportunity for error.
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That's one of the goals of database design - to minimize those kinds of errors. Enter information about a make/model or tail number once and the application takes care of whether it is HP or complex or whatever else you happen to want to track. Same for many flight time entries. In the case of my own database, I enter the total flight time and click a checkbox for such things as cross country, night, PIC. There is, of course, opportunity to enter that data independently if, say the flight starts in daytime and ends at night, but there are a lot of input errors that can be reduced in that manner. (Excel has some of this capability although not as extensive as in a relational database application)
 
I did the single line adjustment. I just converted my entire logbook over to LogTen Pro through the winter, and in doing so, found numerous mathematical and other errors (such as on a flight not listing it in the x/c column when it was clearly a x/c). I do totals in pencil, so on one rather large mathematical error (made my dual given total off 10 hours exactly), I just redid the totals and it was fixed to match. On the others, that were very small, I just did one line item with the corrections in the affected columns and signed it. I also have a sheet of paper that details exactly where these errors can be found.

That being said, I used my LogTen Pro printed logbook for my interview yesterday and was not even asked to see the originals, though I had them along. So don't sweat it too much! They loved my LTP printed logbook. Nice and neat in one binder with all my endorsements photocopied in the back.

Sarah
 
The key I've found to correct errors is ASEL+AMEL should equal total time (add categories+classes as appropriate)

Also Day+Night should equal total time.
 
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The key I've found to correct errors is ASEL+AMEL should equal total time (add categories+classes as appropriate)

Also Day+Night should equal total time.
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I have entries logged in 10ths, entries logged in minutes, entries logged as tach time, and entries logged in seconds. CFIs and record keeping systems are not remotely the same, mine are within a few hours, I think.
 
What kind of paper logbook do you guys use on the commercial side of the house?

What's the difference between Jeppesen pro pilot logbook and AsA master lognook? Is one better than the other?
 
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