Log book lies

Wow.. that poor sap got drilled for making up less than 200 hours worth of time... Buuummmerr..

But.. You plays the game.. you takes your chances...
 
Heres the real question for all of the morally correct guys.....As soon as the hobbs or tach begins to show the next #, regardless how much of the # is showing, you are getting billed for that time. So do you take the moral high road and pay for 1.6 and only log 1.5, or do you do some padding and add 5 or 6 minutes to your time.
 
jtrain609 said:
Again, you'll never get caught. Everybody's got these horror stories about how they know "this guy" who got his certificates ripped away from him, but there are A TON of people who have logged some BIC time and never had any problems with it.

Ask me about at NJC.
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Johns right.

I've know dozens of pilots that pencil whipped hours before a interview.
Not sayings its right, but getting caught is unlikley.
 
MikeOH58 said:
So do you take the moral high road and pay for 1.6 and only log 1.5, or do you do some padding and add 5 or 6 minutes to your time.
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That's like saying if you flew 12 minutes, you should log .1 instead of .2?

If the hobbs clicks over to 1.6, I'd log 1.6..

While we are speaking hobbs/tach, here's a question..

If you fly a plane equipped with a hobbs and you get in at 5.0 on the hobbs.. You get out at 6.5 on the hobbs.. Do you log 1.5?
 
Tram said:
That's like saying if you flew 12 minutes, you should log .1 instead of .2?

If the hobbs clicks over to 1.6, I'd log 1.6..

While we are speaking hobbs/tach, here's a question..

If you fly a plane equipped with a hobbs and you get in at 5.0 on the hobbs.. You get out at 6.5 on the hobbs.. Do you log 1.5?
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Absolutely...first thing you do is a brake check, right? I mean, you wouldn't want to be running your after starting and before taxi checklist and have the brakes fail, right? Brakes released, and you're moving for the purpose of flight...:bandit:;)
 
Tram said:
While we are speaking hobbs/tach, here's a question..

If you fly a plane equipped with a hobbs and you get in at 5.0 on the hobbs.. You get out at 6.5 on the hobbs.. Do you log 1.5?
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I'm thinking that you might be able to log 1.6 for a case like this. You could log the 5.0 tenth all the way up to the 6.5 tenth, which would make 16 tenths of an hour. It's just a personal interpretation, but I think that you could do it.
 
Stinger said:
I'm thinking that you might be able to log 1.6 for a case like this. You could log the 5.0 tenth all the way up to the 6.5 tenth, which would make 16 tenths of an hour. It's just a personal interpretation, but I think that you could do it.
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That must be that new math I always heard of...:D
 
As the old saying goes: "You fly what you can and log what you need."


My ground school instructor told us that "joke" at AE.
 
Stone Cold said:
That must be that new math I always heard of...:D
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HAHA, yeah:D. You get all these people who want the fastest way to the regionals and I'm just giving them some new tricks to speed up the process.:)

It'll also give everybody something new to discuss.
 
This thread is unbelievable!! It seems like there is tacit approval of padding a logbook from many of the members of this forum.

It's no wonder America is becoming a second rate country. The moral and ethical makeup of it's citizens is in decline.

If you ever pad your logbook make sure not to ever call yourself a professional pilot. A pretender maybe, but certainly not professional.

:mad:

Typhoonpilot
 
Tram said:
That's like saying if you flew 12 minutes, you should log .1 instead of .2?

If the hobbs clicks over to 1.6, I'd log 1.6..

While we are speaking hobbs/tach, here's a question..

If you fly a plane equipped with a hobbs and you get in at 5.0 on the hobbs.. You get out at 6.5 on the hobbs.. Do you log 1.5?
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yes


MikeOH58 said:
Heres the real question for all of the morally correct guys.....As soon as the hobbs or tach begins to show the next #, regardless how much of the # is showing, you are getting billed for that time. So do you take the moral high road and pay for 1.6 and only log 1.5, or do you do some padding and add 5 or 6 minutes to your time.
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You log what you pay for . . . that's reasonable and it will average into what is accurate as well.

Stinger said:
I'm thinking that you might be able to log 1.6 for a case like this. You could log the 5.0 tenth all the way up to the 6.5 tenth, which would make 16 tenths of an hour. It's just a personal interpretation, but I think that you could do it.
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and you could call a pig a bunny . . . but it's still a pig:mad:
 
Tram said:
So, if you log the 1.5 for the hobbs..

What do you log if you fly for 1.5 hours on an aircraft only equipped with a tach?
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The usual method we used at all 3 flight schools I worked at was 1.2 times Tach was a fairly good guess. You could also run a stopwatch, but the mx and billing were run off of 1.2 X tach. Yes, it varies on what you were doing, but it usually rounds out in the end.
 
Stone Cold said:
The usual method we used at all 3 flight schools I worked at was 1.2 times Tach was a fairly good guess. You could also run a stopwatch, but the mx and billing were run off of 1.2 X tach. Yes, it varies on what you were doing, but it usually rounds out in the end.
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Yeh, that's about what I've always used.. Our 6 doesn't have a hobbs..
 
typhoonpilot said:
This thread is unbelievable!! It seems like there is tacit approval of padding a logbook from many of the members of this forum.

It's no wonder America is becoming a second rate country. The moral and ethical makeup of it's citizens is in decline.

If you ever pad your logbook make sure not to ever call yourself a professional pilot. A pretender maybe, but certainly not professional.

:mad:

Typhoonpilot
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I don't think that most people here are displaying any approval for logging bic time. In fact, most of the posts say that you should not do it. Some are saying that you won't get caught, that is different than approval.
 
wheelsup said:
LOL yeah and they *could* call your mom and tell her what a crappy pilot you are. Seriously, lay off the scare tactics. We don't log time in our logbooks because it's not the professional thing to do. It has nothing to do with a regional airline telling the FAA they think a guy who interviewed flew so poorly that he pencil whipped time. Get real buddy! At least say something people will believe it you're trying to scare them.
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:yeahthat:
 
cfii2007 said:
Let's say for example you were a CFI and you had a student doing this.....how would you handle it?
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Tell them
1. They need to re-think it and take that time out of their logbook.

2. I'm done with them.

3. If I find out they didn't take the false entries out of their logbook, I'm making a quick call to the FSDO.

I have zero tolerance for this crap.

-mini
 
Chief Captain said:
No you cannot. Falsely logging time is just as illegal for the student pilot as the airline captain 2 weeks from retirement.

(2) Any fraudulent or intentionally false entry in any logbook, record, or report that is required to be kept, made, or...
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Careful how you choose to chunk sentences there; I think that one is best chunked like this:

(2) [Any fraudulent or intentionally false entry] [in any logbook, record, or report] [that is required to be kept, made, or used] [to show compliance with any requirement] [for the issuance or exercise of the privileges] [of any certificate, rating, or authorization under this part]

In particular, "kept, made or used" is a single statement of utility, I'd bet.
 
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