Localizer Intercept Vectors

Yeah it's really not a radar vector. More of a random route assignment.

However, if the resulting course complies with the rules regarding the amount of turn, I don't think anyone would have an issue with it. Until they do.
 
greg1016 said:
.65 5-6, ALL examples of vectoring include issuance of a heading to fly.
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Yeah sorry. Wording was sloppy there. Random directs fall under unpublished routes, but by my understanding with aircraft on unpublished routing, MVA/MIAs have to be followed the same as if the aircraft were being vectored.
 
JeppUpdater said:
To tag onto this.

Can you vector an aircraft onto final for a GPS approach? My 142 big box school insists we can't vector for final for a GPS approach, but I've been vectored for many in the real world in multiple ARTCCs.
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I don't know why but for some reason this is very faintly ringing a bell to me as well.
 
Roger Roger said:
I don't know why but for some reason this is very faintly ringing a bell to me as well.
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The DoD controllers at my AF base said it wasn't allowed either because "there's no radials off the fixes so how do they know when they intercept the final approach course". I just looked at them, said "you dumb" and vectored GPS approaches like a goddamned bauce.
 
NovemberEcho said:
The DoD controllers at my AF base said it wasn't allowed either because "there's no radials off the fixes so how do they know when they intercept the final approach course". I just looked at them, said "you dumb" and vectored GPS approaches like a goddamned bauce.
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Radar coverage is bad in some rural area so vectors are bad too. Sometimes it is better to request the procedure turn.
 
I was vectored 1000 ft above the final approach fix once. I was told it was the poor radar coverage.
 
Mavmb said:
I was vectored 1000 ft above the final approach fix once. I was told it was the poor radar coverage.
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There is a radar by Tyler...not very far from MML.

The only thing I think 3 is good at is calling for APREG every 30 seconds. Oh, and certifying anyone with a pulse.
 
November Tango Foxtrot told me the radar coverage out there is bad, but that was a while ago. All I know is the vectors I have gotten for the MML have been atrocious. I just do the procedure turn. Vectors for Wilmar seem to work well.
 
"Radar coverage is bad" is a horrible excuse. If they don't have radar coverage than they need to give a non-radar routing. If radar coverage is so poor they can't properly vector you for an approach then somewhere along the way radar contact must also be lost. What facility is telling you this? Sounds like the controller who worked you would have trouble separating his ass cheeks let alone airplanes.
 
Sometimes it just comes down to people... we have 2 airports that we can vector for and some people take the care to be good at it and some could care less. We also work around a 150 mile scale and don't get near the same practice as an approach control... so your results will vary greatly. Providing a perfect vector for the 1 guy on final to some random airport also is rarely our number 1 priority unless it's literally the only thing you're doing.
 
NovemberEcho said:
"Radar coverage is bad" is a horrible excuse. If they don't have radar coverage than they need to give a non-radar routing. If radar coverage is so poor they can't properly vector you for an approach then somewhere along the way radar contact must also be lost. What facility is telling you this? Sounds like the controller who worked you would have trouble separating his ass cheeks let alone airplanes.
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I am perfectly capable of watching the FMS fly a procedure turn. Just saying.
 
Reading this thread on the pilot side of the issue, I'm reminded of an old saying.....


"Automation-dependent pilots will use too high a level of automation, in a rapidly degrading flight path situation."
 
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