Living the dream part III

Cptnchia said:
There's legitimately late, which I've been guilty of, by oversleeping or getting the pickup time wrong, and being willfully late, several times to try and prove a point. And yes, that happens. Not often, but with more regularity than it should.
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But you're not talking about someone being late—you're talking about someone being right on time. If you're at the van at 'van time', you're on time, and that's perfect planning. If you're ten seconds late, you're late and that's something that could, in really extreme situations, possibly warrant a talk.

But if you're confronting someone just because they're not adhering to your personal rule, to me it seems as though you are the problem. That's exactly the same thing as sternly forcing an FO to use your technique as procedure.

Anyway, personally I try to always be down five minutes before van time, and haven't ever been late... but sometimes you need every minute of sleep you can get on a short overnight.

I just don't get being a • to someone without -really- good reason. We're all professionals here, and mutual respect fosters a better flight deck environment.

-Fox
 
I'm on IOE and the van time was 6:40 so I decided to be there at 6:30. All of the other crew members were already there. I was told by the LCA be there at 6:40 but at this point in my career I knew this was a set up for failure and that I'd better be early.

Now this is all different when you have a crew car but when its an airport van: y'all better be early.
 
Wow I've never even considered getting to the lobby more than 5 minutes prior to van time. Must be why I work at a lowly regional that's not fit for a flow to Delta. Also, 0:800 van? You major guys really are spoiled. I just did 5 days of 05:00 shows.
 
You 121 guys have some interesting procedures. If I was told to show at a particular time and I show at that particular time, then I'm on time. If I were an FO and the Captain wanted me there 10 minutes prior to go time, then tell me that prior. Unless it's written somewhere that I have to be there prior to go time, it would be my choice on whether I need be there or not. Most of you guys hated it as FO's when guys arbitrarily made their own rules for you to follow. Why would you put that in someone else now that you've been crowned king.

I get to set the go time at my shop. I've adopted the ways of one of our lead captains. He always sets the time 10 minutes prior to go time. He is always the last to show. That way the rest of the crew doesn't have to feel the pressure of being late when they show. It really does set the tone for how the trip goes for that day.

By some of you jumping all over someone for being on time or even a few minutes late, you've set the tone for that trip and that tension you've created will linger.
 
KLB said:
You 121 guys have some interesting procedures. If I was told to show at a particular time and I show at that particular time, then I'm on time. If I were an FO and the Captain wanted me there 10 minutes prior to go time, then tell me that prior. Unless it's written somewhere that I have to be there prior to go time, it would be my choice on whether I need be there or not. Most of you guys hated it as FO's when guys arbitrarily made their own rules for you to follow. Why would you put that in someone else now that you've been crowned king.

I get to set the go time at my shop. I've adopted the ways of one of our lead captains. He always sets the time 10 minutes prior to go time. He is always the last to show. That way the rest of the crew doesn't have to feel the pressure of being late when they show. It really does set the tone for how the trip goes for that day.

By some of you jumping all over someone for being on time or even a few minutes late, you've set the tone for that trip and that tension you've created will linger.
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It is the time at which the van departs. It is not the time at which you show up and hit the Starbucks across the street.
 
Now ya'll want to get me started on the van time debacle?

In our SFO hotel, the van runs every top of hour, :20, :40. It takes exactly 20 minutes to the airport terminal 2, and another 5 minutes to clear security/KCM. So a 8:05am show should be a 7:40am van, to the airport by 8, and through security by 8:05am. Right? The book says we have to be at the airport 1 hr before, and at the gate :45 prior. The cool ones take the 740 van. I have yet to not be on time with that. A few want the 720. Is it socially acceptable to say 'see ya at the airport.' I hope so.

I target being in the elevator 5 minutes prior to van time (and yes, that's the van depart time). If I miss it, I'll Uber/Lyft to the airport.
 
KLB said:
You 121 guys have some interesting procedures. If I was told to show at a particular time and I show at that particular time, then I'm on time. If I were an FO and the Captain wanted me there 10 minutes prior to go time, then tell me that prior. Unless it's written somewhere that I have to be there prior to go time, it would be my choice on whether I need be there or not. Most of you guys hated it as FO's when guys arbitrarily made their own rules for you to follow. Why would you put that in someone else now that you've been crowned king.

I get to set the go time at my shop. I've adopted the ways of one of our lead captains. He always sets the time 10 minutes prior to go time. He is always the last to show. That way the rest of the crew doesn't have to feel the pressure of being late when they show. It really does set the tone for how the trip goes for that day.

By some of you jumping all over someone for being on time or even a few minutes late, you've set the tone for that trip and that tension you've created will linger.
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Well oddly enough my biggest issue with this was at XOJET.


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Autothrust Blue said:
Every day is like the first day, eh Comrade?
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Like they've never done this before and the whole operation is brand new.

Extra special is that it's also quite common to have your crew at different hotels. So you really don't know if someone is still sleeping or at another hotel. There's kind of a way to know but it's hit or miss on reliability.
 
KLB said:
You 121 guys have some interesting procedures. If I was told to show at a particular time and I show at that particular time, then I'm on time. If I were an FO and the Captain wanted me there 10 minutes prior to go time, then tell me that prior. Unless it's written somewhere that I have to be there prior to go time, it would be my choice on whether I need be there or not. Most of you guys hated it as FO's when guys arbitrarily made their own rules for you to follow. Why would you put that in someone else now that you've been crowned king.

I get to set the go time at my shop. I've adopted the ways of one of our lead captains. He always sets the time 10 minutes prior to go time. He is always the last to show. That way the rest of the crew doesn't have to feel the pressure of being late when they show. It really does set the tone for how the trip goes for that day.

By some of you jumping all over someone for being on time or even a few minutes late, you've set the tone for that trip and that tension you've created will linger.
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Nah, I think you're simply viewing some guy's techniques...If crew are having it out over being buckled up at van time vs being in the lobby at van time, well...that's a flight I wouldn't want to be a passenger on.
 
Baronman said:
Nah, I think you're simply viewing some guy's techniques...If crew are having it out over being buckled up at van time vs being in the lobby at van time, well...that's a flight I wouldn't want to be a passenger on.
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It is...interesting being in a direct supervisory relationship with people for whom this is their first job after college.
 
z987k said:
Your FOs managed to get to 1500 hours without a flying gig?
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Teaching counts, but the R-ATP crowd is strong nowadays. I'd say it's subjectively about 40-50% of the NHP population, actually.

Probably better phrased as "first non-teaching, post-college job."
 
Autothrust Blue said:
It is...interesting being in a direct supervisory relationship with people for whom this is their first job after college.
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So you forgot what it was like at your first airline? Who cares what your first job out of college was? Doesn't mean it's their first big boy job, don't assume. I don't get the "direct supervisory relationship" part...
Plus in my experience with new FOs is more people struggle at their first airline gig with a non teaching background than a teaching background. Much more insecure/nervous.
 
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