Living the dream part III

ian said:
you sound like captain happy. If the van leaves at 0800 i'll be on it to leave at 0800. There is no reason for me to be there at 0750. As soon as we have 'the talk' for me being on time, I'll laugh at you to your face and walk away.
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I would heavily suggest not doing that at SouthernJets. Heeeeeeeeeeeavily.
 
Cptnchia said:
Perfectly fine to walk away. And we'll be parting ways the next time we touch a hub as a new FO comes out to replace you.

Again, I'm a very easy going person. There are only a handful of rules the company wants us to comply with. It really is an easy job, but I get the feel g you're one of those people who wants to make it hard for everyone. I hope I'm wrong. People tell me you're a nice guy. Hopefully this is just some internet bravado on you're part.
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You're creating confrontation over nothing. If someone is late they're late but being there when they're supposed to is not grounds for a "talk". IMO
 
And here's the reason. If that went up the food chain for any reason, that's part of your personnel record.

When I went to the big brown desk with the NYC chief pilot, my union representation, the two other pilots and the FAA and the company attorney, they literally pulled up my (our) entire employment record, the good things, the not-so-good things, performance, evaluations, letters written and everything.

We were told point blank that we all had exceptional records and a good employment history so they were pressing the FAA on their point that it was inadvertent and there was no history to establish that we were a bunch of rebels like the FAA wanted to press.

Trust me. They keep EVERYTHING.

Acutally, having a clean history saved me twice, once with the FAA and the other time during the Delta Connection Academy debacle/Queen of Sky issue.
 
ClarkGriswold said:
You're creating confrontation over nothing. That's not easy going. If someone is late they're late but being there when they're supposed to is not grounds for a "talk". IMO
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There's legitimately late, which I've been guilty of, by oversleeping or getting the pickup time wrong, and being willfully late, several times to try and prove a point. And yes, that happens. Not often, but with more regularity than it should.
 
JetDoc said:
Or throwing flaps and slats with ground personnel around the airplane. At my shop no flaps or flight control checks until we have a wave-off and everyone is clear of the aircraft.
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So logic goes: dont select flaps during push in case wing-walker decides to crouch over and duck walk under the wing-root of a moving aircraft during pushback, thus avoiding a blow to the head as the slat/flaps oh so gradually deploy over 25 seconds? Lets also forget that feet from this head strike area we have jet engines being started or running. Maybe we should start engines once we get a wave off?

As CA you already view and call planned flaps "#" set in before taxi check, so you should be in the loop. As PIC this could be considered as your "call" for the configuration change, then FO just awaits SOP trigger of aircraft movement. Then two separate flap configuration verifications in before taxi, with PIC initiating and verbalizing verification of SIC's actuation, then on before-takeoff with takeoff config.

Am I missing some inherent risk that cannot be mitigated? Or does everyone just prefer awkward pauses, intentional stalling during checklists and longer delays to start rolling out of alley at gate areas?
 
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On a side note, I just gave myself the "heebie jeebies" over the memories of the FAA wanting to suspend me for 90 days and the whole DCA legal fight..

*shudder*
 
Cptnchia said:
Perfectly fine to walk away. And we'll be parting ways the next time we touch a hub as a new FO comes out to replace you.

Again, I'm a very easy going person. There are only a handful of rules the company wants us to comply with. It really is an easy job, but I get the feel g you're one of those people who wants to make it hard for everyone. I hope I'm wrong. People tell me you're a nice guy. Hopefully this is just some internet bravado on you're part.
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Jordan93 said:
I'm usually in the elevator 5 minutes prior to van time. The once in a blue I'm late, I apologize to the crew and the driver.
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That usually works but you better make it 15 minutes at SJI. I got a call and text one time from a Captain at XX:21 as I was walking out of the elevator. Van time was XX:30.
 
Cptnchia said:
There's legitimately late, which I've been guilty of, by oversleeping or getting the pickup time wrong, and being willfully late, several times to try and prove a point. And yes, that happens. Not often, but with more regularity than it should.
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back to your edit since i didn't see it before. I'm not violating a SINGLE company rule by showing up to the van on time. Showing up on time is also not making it hard on everyone. I have never been late to a van time, neither intentional or unintentional. Not saying unintentional won't happen at some point in the future, but i'd never show up late on purpose. I am usually down 3-5 min early because unlike most people I actually give my key to the front desk instead of leaving it in the room. The problem is when it's 10 minutes prior to van time and your room phone rings asking where you are.
 
ian said:
back to your edit since i didn't see it before. I'm not violating a SINGLE company rule by showing up to the van on time. Showing up on time is also not making it hard on everyone. I have never been late to a van time, neither intentional or unintentional. Not saying unintentional won't happen at some point in the future, but i'd never show up late on purpose. I am usually down 3-5 min early because unlike most people I actually give my key to the front desk instead of leaving it in the room. The problem is when it's 10 minutes prior to van time and your room phone rings asking where you are.
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I was referring to your argumentative persona as the hard thing. Calling the room 10 minutes prior is toolish, I'll grant you that.
 
Relax, breathe. You won't push late D+1 because the van left ontime, nor a few minutes late. Just listen to their panicky story, give them the benefit of the doubt, and leave your grumpy judgements and self-rightous passive aggression behind. If a crewmember makes a pattern, ok have a chat. One time offense or ontime? Why raise your risk of heart disease over nothing? Just smile and have a happy day.
 
Plus, uhh, isn't leaving someone a guaranteed way to take a delay? I get it if it's 5 minutes and they're still not in sight, have the hotel call a cab for them, the shuttle come back, etc. But it seems kind of counterproductive if they're literally walking out of the elevator and you pull away. Wait for them but have the "the van LEAVES at 0800" chat.
 
I'll be the jerk. Show up 5 minutes before van time. Van time means BOV (butt on van!) Not strolling off of the elevator.

That extra 3 minutes in your room isn't going to make any difference in your rest and you're just making those of us who are considerate of their fellow crewmembers wonder whether you're sleeping or you're just going to show up at the last minute.


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ZapBrannigan said:
I'll be the jerk. Show up 5 minutes before van time. Van time means BOV (butt on van!) Not strolling off of the elevator.

That extra 3 minutes in your room isn't going to make any difference in your rest and you're just making those of us who are considerate of their fellow crewmembers wonder whether you're sleeping or you're just going to show up at the last minute.


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Yea leaving my room 5 minutes before van time yields good results
 
I had to call up to a CAs room 3 times on a 4 day trip. This was van time +5.

On the last one, I actually said to myself : I. Have. Had. Enough. Of. You! the same way William Shatner did in ST3.

It was one of two events that pushed me to upgrade....

Richman
 
ZapBrannigan said:
I'll be the jerk. Show up 5 minutes before van time. Van time means BOV (butt on van!) Not strolling off of the elevator.

That extra 3 minutes in your room isn't going to make any difference in your rest and you're just making those of us who are considerate of their fellow crewmembers wonder whether you're sleeping or you're just going to show up at the last minute.


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You do you, I'll do me.
 
Good grief I thought the sweater vest and van driver tipping threads were the most stereotypical airline pilot things ever...then the "let's dissect what time to meet the van down to the very minute" discussion came along.

On the other hand, if that's really what we're arguing about it must mean big picture in the industry things are pretty good.
 
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