Live Webcast of 3407 sunshine hearing

[Rocketman99]

What irritates me most is the constant harping on sterile cockpit. Seriously, if you can't handle the simple task of saying something or answering a question while flying a plane you don't belong flying one, let alone one that's an airliner. On top of that you should have figured out when you need to shut up by the time you get to your commercial checkride. It's not rocket science.

They had 2 minutes from the last time "they broke sterile" until the shaker. So IOW, improper sterile cockpit procedures had absolultely zero to do with getting the shaker, yet they spent a good hour bsing about it at the hearing today. There were far more important issues...

 

[kellwolf]

Mayyyyybe.....
But regardless, what's the harm of an EGPWS call. We're also supposed to call altitudes on a precision approach if the EGPWS isn't doin' it for us....

As an aside, not that I *PERSONALLY* care about Captains' feelings, but I have been told by senior, old hat folks that they find it annoying when someone corrects them on stuff. If you're not on the bug, I begin considering verbalizing it....

Those people, bluntly, need to get the F over it or find another job. Either that, or they can fly the bug or brief anything they're gonna do differently. If I'm screwing up, and you're my FO (hey, it's more likely you'll get to DTW than I'll get to ATL), for the love of god TELL ME.

 

[pullup]

You must not talking about Shredd and Regan. I had to restrain myself from calling in and lambasting them. Their discussion was, in a nutshell, "Renslow is an idiot who didn't know what this and that button did, and should have known better than to fly airplanes, since he must have known how bad a pilot he was." I found it most disrespectful... no attempt not to hang the pilots, no mention of fatigue. Mind you I did not hear the entire show, but I have a hard time beleiving those two could formulate an educated discussion about most things, let alone pilot pay and fatigue.

Local "rock" radio. Sheeesh...

Actually it was...maybe I only heard the first part and you heard the second?? I was on my way home from work and they were talking about pilot fatigue, the horrible pay. Maybe they diverged later but from what I heard they were fairly tame.

 

[drunkenbeagle]

And of course, the relevant question is "WHY?!"

I hate to say it, but poor airmanship is all that I can see here. It didn't seem to be an isolated incident either.

Stall/Spin accidents are nearly always fatal close to the ground. Which is why energy management and a stabilized approach are critical in all aircraft. Neither happened here. The sad thing is that it was recoverable, even though the aircraft should not have been in that position in the first place.

After looking over the material and listening to the NTSB yesterday, I don't think there is any merit to the argument that the captain thought it was an ice related tailplane stall. If you are that concerned about icing, keeping up airspeed is the primary thing you would do. The symptoms of a tailplane stall - pitch axis oscillations and finally a nose drop, would not have been present. And given the low airspeed, a reasonable person would attempt recovery from the far more likely aerodynamic stall.