Live like a king! Fly in China

Kingairer said:
There's no amount of money that would persuade me to go fly for a Chinese airlines, none. If youre thinking of just going over there for a few years then coming back, you'd really need to think about what 5 years of seniority would cost you over a career.
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If they tripled their current offering, then I'd start looking at it.
 
z987k said:
If they tripled their current offering, then I'd start looking at it.
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Dang, it would take that much for you to even consider it? I wouldn't think a few years would be that bad even if it were 500k a year. But then again I'm used to eating top ramen every night and QOL doesn't exist yet for me so it would be interesting to give a try. I don't have hours in any type so that's not happening either way.


Edit: also, I just watched a few vids of americans living in china talking about what it's like, does sound interesting/odd in some parts but they don't seem to say stay away by any means. Idk something different sounds cool to me, I don't have family or anything anyways to worry about so taking a few years to go somewhere new would be kind of exciting but like I said, aint happening haha.
 
AZflyboy said:
Dang, it would take that much for you to even consider it? I wouldn't think a few years would be that bad even if it were 500k a year. But then again I'm used to eating top ramen every night and QOL doesn't exist yet for me so it would be interesting to give a try. I don't have hours in any type so that's not happening either way.


Edit: also, I just watched a few vids of americans living in china talking about what it's like, does sound interesting/odd in some parts but they don't seem to say stay away by any means. Idk something different sounds cool to me, I don't have family or anything anyways to worry about so taking a few years to go somewhere new would be kind of exciting but like I said, aint happening haha.
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Idk, it'd take a lot of money for me to go voluntarily live under a repressive communist dictatorship that is the antithesis of everything I believe and it permeates every part of your daily life there.
 
z987k said:
Idk, it'd take a lot of money for me to go voluntarily live under a repressive communist dictatorship that is the antithesis of everything I believe and it permeates every part of your daily life there.
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I see what you're saying and that makes total sense, that's one side I haven't really looked at other than the views expressed by Americans on 5 minute youtube clips, I know there's way more going on like any other place that I'm clueless over, I was just saying that if it were a year or two that I would be there, even if it ended up being sucky, I guess in my head I'm happy I tried anyway so I can have a beer time story later on and maybe learn a thing or two from it :) I just really don't like the idea of growing old and not really experiencing a lot of different things such as cultures, lifestyles and language for example. USA imo will always be the best no matter what and it's my home, but would love to get out and see more, heck I wanna find out what real chinese is like compared to panda express :D bahaha
 
AZflyboy said:
I see what you're saying and that makes total sense, that's one side I haven't really looked at other than the views expressed by Americans on 5 minute youtube clips, I know there's way more going on like any other place that I'm clueless over, I was just saying that if it were a year or two that I would be there, even if it ended up being sucky, I guess in my head I'm happy I tried anyway so I can have a beer time story later on and maybe learn a thing or two from it :) I just really don't like the idea of growing old and not really experiencing a lot of different things such as cultures, lifestyles and language for example. USA imo will always be the best no matter what and it's my home, but would love to get out and see more, heck I wanna find out what real chinese is like compared to panda express :D bahaha
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So the reason you, and anyone needs to travel is to find out is this - "USA imo will always be the best no matter what" is not only not true, but it's a terrible attitude to have, even if it was true.
But China sucks. Maybe not as much as Saudi, but China really sucks.
I mean, you don't use google or Facebook do you? Those are banned.
 
BobDDuck said:
I don't equate people being unable to put states in their correct locations on a map with not knowing which country is which.

Without looking do you know if Connecticut is east or west of Rhode Island? Is Nebraska above or below Kansas?

You may actually know these, but many, many people won't.
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I'd be happy if the average American could tell me who fought in the civil war...
 
z987k said:
Idk, it'd take a lot of money for me to go voluntarily live under a repressive communist dictatorship that is the antithesis of everything I believe and it permeates every part of your daily life there.
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"Know thy enemy"?
 
AZflyboy said:
But in the eyes of a normal American it is all china, even japan is china. Heck, Hawaii is china too if you want it to be! ;) Seriously though, I cannot tell you how many people I've met in California that said "oh you're from Oregon? I bet it's cold being above Washington"...... uhhhhh
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You should hang out with better people or stop watching late night TV.

Asian cultures are too authoritarian for my tastes and even at $350k the risks don't outweigh the rewards. Personally it would be easier to get me into a war zone than to risk my life with the Chinese. At least with a contractor you have a chain of command and some order of protection.
 
Here is a small anecdote. My wife's parents host foreign students on occasion through a university program. Their guy a couple years ago was a Chinese student, came from what I surmised to be a generally upper middle class family, and would have had the money and means to have received a good primary education. When the wife and I came and visited them during the holidays, this kid had just literally gone off the deep end after he first: learned about Tiananmen Square for the first time of his life in his university history class, and then second: spent the next 1 million hours of his free time googling things about his country's history that are banned/blocked in China. I only met him once or twice for a short sitting, but according to the in laws, he had basically a total life crisis, and decided he didn't want to go back home ever again. Perhaps a little dramatic (we are still talking about an 18 year old kid), but at least telling about the communist system, and what it still systematically keeps from its people.
 
z987k said:
So the reason you, and anyone needs to travel is to find out is this - "USA imo will always be the best no matter what" is not only not true, but it's a terrible attitude to have, even if it was true.
But China sucks. Maybe not as much as Saudi, but China really sucks.
I mean, you don't use google or Facebook do you? Those are banned.
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How is that a terrible attitude....? I love my country and even if we have our issues it's still my opinion that America is the best based off of calling it my home. I'm a pretty open minded dude too and want to travel the world and see new places and learn new cultures..... also, I don't think you have much room to talk either if you're gonna tell me its a terrible attitude to have when you just said china sucks based off the fact they're communists and won't pay you the million dollars a year you are looking for....
 
///AMG said:
but at least telling about the communist system, and what it still systematically keeps from its people.
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You say this in a way which suggests that Smedley Butler has a guest appearance in US text books re: The United Fruit Company. Systematically keeping unpleasant history from one's subjects is the first order business of governments. Which is not in any way to suggest that the two governments in question are of equal moral value, that's farsical. Still, the pretense that either is without fault on the question of keeping certain things quiet is, eh, well, ludicrous.
 
Boris Badenov said:
You say this in a way which suggests that Smedley Butler has a guest appearance in US text books re: The United Fruit Company. Systematically keeping unpleasant history from one's subjects is the first order business of governments. Which is not in any way to suggest that the two governments in question are of equal moral value, that's farsical. Still, the pretense that either is without fault on the question of keeping certain things quiet is, eh, well, ludicrous.
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sorry, but completely censoring an entire event, rather than just propagating a desirable narrative are two different things. Of course there are examples of every government in the history of the world keeping things from the peasants, but guess what I can do from my computer in the United States? Google "United fruit company" and read everything one could ever want to. I did reference school in my previous, but I'm not talking about text books. I am talking about the fact that this censorship is apparently widespread and effective enough to prevent a college aged kid from even knowing that one of his country's most controversial blunders of the last 50 years ever occurred, much less the details. Nobody is saying that the US government hasn't withheld things from the public that aren't publicly known, but in our system, we have no mechanism to censor an event that is common knowledge to the rest of the world. They not only apparently do have such a system, but also seem to exercise it widely.
 
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AZflyboy said:
How is that a terrible attitude....? I love my country and even if we have our issues it's still my opinion that America is the best based off of calling it my home. I'm a pretty open minded dude too and want to travel the world and see new places and learn new cultures..... also, I don't think you have much room to talk either if you're gonna tell me its a terrible attitude to have when you just said china sucks based off the fact they're communists and won't pay you the million dollars a year you are looking for....
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It's a very closed minded attitude that you are basing on no experience of other countries. How can you say the US is the best if you've never been anywhere else? Where you're from has no bearing on how good a country is, which is a subjective thing, but being from there is irrelevant.
China sucks based on going there almost every month for work. Usually a day or so, and only to 4 cities now, but it's been enough to decide that if someone wanted me to deal with that daily it's a million dollars. I mean, most everything I enjoy for a hobby is illegal there. That's not going to work out well. What I'm typing about the •hole that is China, is illegal to do in China.
 
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AZflyboy said:
Here is a song that we need to both play.
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I honestly think it's a serious problem our populace has - American's don't travel, and have no idea about the world outside their tiny little corner. Geopolitical knowledge of a 6 year old compared to other western nations. And the people, generally, are incredibly nice and have some wonderfully different lives.
I think it was Mark Twain that said travel is fatal to prejudice. I find it to be very true. I think it also helps remove any notions of nationalism.
 
z987k said:
It's a very closed minded attitude that you are basing on no experience of other countries. How can you say the US is the best if you've never been anywhere else? Where you're from has no bearing on how good a country is, which is a subjective thing, but being from there is irrelevant.
China sucks based on going there almost every month for work. Usually a day or so, and only to 4 cities now, but it's been enough to decide that if someone wanted me to deal with that daily it's a million dollars. I mean, most everything I enjoy for a hobby is illegal there. That's not going to work out well. What I'm typing about the hole that is China, is illegal to do in China.
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Hey you know what, I'll read more about it and I am hearing you out on it. I'm not just blindly defending china or anything of that nature, I've never been so I cannot say or really make any opinions yet of it other than what I have heard. Didn't intend to turn this into an argument, just wanted a discussion was all. I get what you are saying also, If everything I loved was banned there as well I probably wouldn't want to go either, I have no idea what all they have banned which is why i am saying I'll look more into it.
 
z987k said:
It's a very closed minded attitude that you are basing on no experience of other countries. How can you say the US is the best if you've never been anywhere else? Where you're from has no bearing on how good a country is, which is a subjective thing, but being from there is irrelevant.
China sucks based on going there almost every month for work. Usually a day or so, and only to 4 cities now, but it's been enough to decide that if someone wanted me to deal with that daily it's a million dollars. I mean, most everything I enjoy for a hobby is illegal there. That's not going to work out well. What I'm typing about the hole that is China, is illegal to do in China.
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Not claiming at all to be as traveled as this guy, but based on what I've seen so far in my limited travels, the US seems to have convenience absolutely mastered, but as a whole, as a society, I rank it outside of the top 10 for almost everything under the sun. Sheer ignorance places us in the top 10 for sure though. :)

I question my safety more in the wrong place in almost any large metro in the US than I do than Venezuela, which is less safe than Colombia these days. Not many F words given about SA in general actually... CONUS? Yeah, no, NOT number one, by ALOT

That being said, STRONG LOL if I'd EVER be caught dead flying for any air carrier outside of the US. Second thing where the US is absolutely superior in every way
 
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