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IrishSheepdog
Sitting in the median
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are you flying the next leg?
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Just got in, yes. Nasty day in CVG!
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If it was anything like DAY, God help you. I was talking with an MD-88 DAL crew at DAY waiting for our respective hotels to show up, and they had to GA due to the loss of glideslope. So that left us doing the LOC only approach to 600 OVC! Throw in some severe turbulence and real nasty ice (inversion layer... runback... basically severe... sucks...) and it made for an interesting night. It was so bad that a woman getting off the plane gave me a hug, proclaiming my flying talents and the angels are watching over me.
The ice was so nasty from last night that we had to be towed to the deice pad this AM... we couldn't bring the props out of feather, since doing so would violently shake the aircraft. Fun..........
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are you flying the next leg?
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Just got in, yes. Nasty day in CVG!
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If it was anything like DAY, God help you. I was talking with an MD-88 DAL crew at DAY waiting for our respective hotels to show up, and they had to GA due to the loss of glideslope. So that left us doing the LOC only approach to 600 OVC! Throw in some severe turbulence and real nasty ice (inversion layer... runback... basically severe... sucks...) and it made for an interesting night. It was so bad that a woman getting off the plane gave me a hug, proclaiming my flying talents and the angels are watching over me.
The ice was so nasty from last night that we had to be towed to the deice pad this AM... we couldn't bring the props out of feather, since doing so would violently shake the aircraft. Fun..........
Re: What copilots do...
Co-pilots:
Raise landing gear...
Lower landing gear...
Be the challenge or the reply...
And occasionally fly.....
Captains:
insure the crew is in-line...
assure the trip goes smoothly and on-time...
Is the final authority, be the trip short or long...
Take all the heat when everything goes wrong...
Summary:
Regardless of how much there is to be done...
A cockpit is too big if it's built for more than one...
Co-pilots:
Raise landing gear...
Lower landing gear...
Be the challenge or the reply...
And occasionally fly.....
Captains:
insure the crew is in-line...
assure the trip goes smoothly and on-time...
Is the final authority, be the trip short or long...
Take all the heat when everything goes wrong...
Summary:
Regardless of how much there is to be done...
A cockpit is too big if it's built for more than one...
donttouchanything
New Member
Re: What copilots do...
Enter the warrior poet
Enter the warrior poet
Re: What copilots do...
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Fine...but the really good paying jobs have more than one pilot.....
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Amen to that.
Or the good-paying single-pilot jobs...shall we say....have a short lifespan for the pilot.
(Nothing going on here at the moment, so I have time to write some really terrible-quality poetry....yes, I think I'll have to keep the day job
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Fine...but the really good paying jobs have more than one pilot.....
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Amen to that.
Or the good-paying single-pilot jobs...shall we say....have a short lifespan for the pilot.
(Nothing going on here at the moment, so I have time to write some really terrible-quality poetry....yes, I think I'll have to keep the day job
donttouchanything
New Member
Re: What copilots do...
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(Nothing going on here at the moment, so I have time to write some really terrible-quality poetry....yes, I think I'll have to keep the day job
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That's to bad, I hear poets are making almost what philosophers are these days
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(Nothing going on here at the moment, so I have time to write some really terrible-quality poetry....yes, I think I'll have to keep the day job
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That's to bad, I hear poets are making almost what philosophers are these days
IrishSheepdog
Sitting in the median
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It was so bad that a woman getting off the plane gave me a hug, proclaiming my flying talents and the angels are watching over me.
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Little did she know what co-pilots really do!
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Yes... little did she know that I was the one flying. The 700-hour, $18K a year FO who everyone thinks pulls gear...
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It was so bad that a woman getting off the plane gave me a hug, proclaiming my flying talents and the angels are watching over me.
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Little did she know what co-pilots really do!
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Yes... little did she know that I was the one flying. The 700-hour, $18K a year FO who everyone thinks pulls gear...
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It was so bad that a woman getting off the plane gave me a hug, proclaiming my flying talents and the angels are watching over me.
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Little did she know what co-pilots really do!
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Yes... little did she know that I was the one flying. The 700-hour, $18K a year FO who everyone thinks pulls gear...
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...And gets the occasional stick time!
I'm kidding.
Should read: Little does she know that the same FO, getting her through the bad WX she was so relieved to survive, is ONLY making $18K/yr. Should be more like $50K/yr.
If I could read minds, I'd wonder what price she'd put on her own life?
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It was so bad that a woman getting off the plane gave me a hug, proclaiming my flying talents and the angels are watching over me.
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Little did she know what co-pilots really do!
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Yes... little did she know that I was the one flying. The 700-hour, $18K a year FO who everyone thinks pulls gear...
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...And gets the occasional stick time!
I'm kidding.
Should read: Little does she know that the same FO, getting her through the bad WX she was so relieved to survive, is ONLY making $18K/yr. Should be more like $50K/yr.
If I could read minds, I'd wonder what price she'd put on her own life?
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Yes... little did she know that I was the one flying. The 700-hour, $18K a year FO who everyone thinks pulls gear...
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(Say this in the 'grumpy old man' accent)
Oh you young whippersnappers!
Back in my day, I was a $17K/year captain uphill both ways in the snow! Diggin' my car out of a snow back in upper Michigan and you know what sonny? We LIKED it!
Autopilot, schm'autopilot, we hand flew all nine legs, and we LIKED it!@
Ok, my lack of creativity and bad sense of humor is showing.
Back to work for me, time to make the donuts.
Yes... little did she know that I was the one flying. The 700-hour, $18K a year FO who everyone thinks pulls gear...
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(Say this in the 'grumpy old man' accent)
Oh you young whippersnappers!
Back in my day, I was a $17K/year captain uphill both ways in the snow! Diggin' my car out of a snow back in upper Michigan and you know what sonny? We LIKED it!
Autopilot, schm'autopilot, we hand flew all nine legs, and we LIKED it!@
Ok, my lack of creativity and bad sense of humor is showing.
Back to work for me, time to make the donuts.
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Yes... little did she know that I was the one flying. The 700-hour, $18K a year FO who everyone thinks pulls gear...
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(Say this in the 'grumpy old man' accent)
Oh you young whippersnappers!
Back in my day, I was a $17K/year captain uphill both ways in the snow! Diggin' my car out of a snow back in upper Michigan and you know what sonny? We LIKED it!
Autopilot, schm'autopilot, we hand flew all nine legs, and we LIKED it!@
Ok, my lack of creativity and bad sense of humor is showing.
Back to work for me, time to make the donuts.
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Don't get me started with the "back in my day"
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Yes... little did she know that I was the one flying. The 700-hour, $18K a year FO who everyone thinks pulls gear...
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(Say this in the 'grumpy old man' accent)
Oh you young whippersnappers!
Back in my day, I was a $17K/year captain uphill both ways in the snow! Diggin' my car out of a snow back in upper Michigan and you know what sonny? We LIKED it!
Autopilot, schm'autopilot, we hand flew all nine legs, and we LIKED it!@
Ok, my lack of creativity and bad sense of humor is showing.
Back to work for me, time to make the donuts.
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Don't get me started with the "back in my day"
IrishSheepdog
Sitting in the median
Well, there are lucrative careers and rewarding ones, and they are not necessarily one in the same. That definitely applies here. But it would be nice to get home after a very trying standup overnight to a more comfortable QOL... if anyone knows this, Doug and MikeD do!
Us young whippersnappers get to walk uphill in the snow one way, but have the added luxury of walking downhill the way back (sometimes even with a Starbucks on the way)!
We have autopilot too, sometimes.
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Well, there are lucrative careers and rewarding ones, and they are not necessarily one in the same. That definitely applies here. But it would be nice to get home after a very trying standup overnight to a more comfortable QOL... if anyone knows this, Doug and MikeD do!
Us young whippersnappers get to walk uphill in the snow one way, but have the added luxury of walking downhill the way back (sometimes even with a Starbucks on the way)!
We have autopilot too, sometimes.
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You aren't kidding, partner. Always amazes me that with the responsibility a commuter/regional crew (just using their particular example) has for their pax, their aircraft, and all the populated land they overfly, that they make as little as they do. I know this subject has been hashed-out to death on this forum, but it's still unresolved in the real world. And the pax on commuter planes are completely oblivious to this...it's transparent to them.
Which is exactly why the pay for the co-pilots should be around $50K starting, if merely for the responsibility inherent to the job; a responsibility shared whether one is a commuter Captain, or an equally important co-pilot.
Well, there are lucrative careers and rewarding ones, and they are not necessarily one in the same. That definitely applies here. But it would be nice to get home after a very trying standup overnight to a more comfortable QOL... if anyone knows this, Doug and MikeD do!
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You aren't kidding, partner. Always amazes me that with the responsibility a commuter/regional crew (just using their particular example) has for their pax, their aircraft, and all the populated land they overfly, that they make as little as they do. I know this subject has been hashed-out to death on this forum, but it's still unresolved in the real world. And the pax on commuter planes are completely oblivious to this...it's transparent to them.
Which is exactly why the pay for the co-pilots should be around $50K starting, if merely for the responsibility inherent to the job; a responsibility shared whether one is a commuter Captain, or an equally important co-pilot.
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Which is exactly why the pay for the co-pilots should be around $50K starting, if merely for the responsibility inherent to the job; a responsibility shared whether one is a commuter Captain, or an equally important co-pilot.
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Amen.
However, there will always be legions of freshly minted pilots willing to sell their souls and pay for a non-paid position in order to get one of those $50,000/year copilot jobs.
Which is exactly why the pay for the co-pilots should be around $50K starting, if merely for the responsibility inherent to the job; a responsibility shared whether one is a commuter Captain, or an equally important co-pilot.
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Amen.
However, there will always be legions of freshly minted pilots willing to sell their souls and pay for a non-paid position in order to get one of those $50,000/year copilot jobs.
