LGA accident

I sent this personally but share it here without identifier - name removed.


"You know, I've chosen to go into bad places at times, - icy or swift water, above a free-burning fire to do a primary search ... that kind of thing. It wasn't always comfortable or routine but, fortunate,y, it always worked out for me and a couple people are alive today because I was there when they needed someone.

Just a reflection of life - not "Hey, I'm something special."

The accident at LGA hit hard within that context. You do what's routine. You trust other people to have your back. And 99% of the time that's enough and it all works and everyone goes home.

And sometimes it just doesn't and people don't.

I was more spiritual in the old days and I never went into a river or fire before I thought a silent prayer. It wasn't for me, other than doing my best, but for the people trapped and to care or my family should I fail in the trying.

I watched the video from LGA and listened to the radio traffic, and I thought of you, and then I thought of me, and I thought of the circumstances which can trump every bit of training and caution we practice daily.

Never doubting your competency and training and experience, I want you to be as "lucky" as I have been. When I wish you safe journey it's not something casually done.

Go home safely every time you leave, my friend, to the people who love you. As you know, it's no small thing to fly like the angels and it brings a unique set of things that can always go wrong."


Shared here for everyone who flies.
 
Cherokee_Cruiser said:
And most notorious midairs were 121 and Corpies, Milpies, and GArpies. As opposed to other 121s.
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The thread title is “LGA accident”, which did not involve any 91/135 aircraft.

Recent events were two 121 carriers in a near mid-air collision, not a 91/135 aircraft.

DCA was a 121 air carrier and military helicopter. Not a 91/135 aircraft.

Not many corporate aircraft have approval for operations at DCA. Most go to IAD.

TEB is the preferred corporate airport for the region around EWR & LGA. Some corporate operators use the greater NY metro airports (JFK, EWR, LGA, MMU, HPN, FRG), but TEB is the favored in the region.

I’m not so sure why reading comprehension is so hard for you.
 
MikeD said:
Curiously, how much would LGA tower have been involved with trying to help UAL get a gate? Wouldn’t the UAL jet be talking to ramp tower for coordination of all of that? Then let ground know what solution has been made? Assuming the UAL jet wasn’t sitting on or blocking a taxiway or other movement area, but still, would LGA ground controller be involved with any coordination of that? It seems outside their scope of responsibility, if I’m understanding it right?
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I don't believe the landline communication on the VAS video is with the FAA. I say this because it would have been near impossible for that audio to leak, at least from the FAA side, that quickly. At the PANYNJ airport I briefly worked at, we never talked to ramp control, however there probably was a line at the watch (supervisor) desk.

While I have you, I have worked in 5 different towers and all of them have handled emergency responses, and ground vehicle traffic slightly differently. I can say though I was never trained to make a general announcement for airplanes to give way to emergency vehicles.
 
CFI A&P said:
The thread title is “LGA accident”, which did not involve any 91/135 aircraft.

Recent events were two 121 carriers in a near mid-air collision, not a 91/135 aircraft.

DCA was a 121 air carrier and military helicopter. Not a 91/135 aircraft.

Not many corporate aircraft have approval for operations at DCA. Most go to IAD.

TEB is the preferred corporate airport for the region around EWR & LGA. Some corporate operators use the greater NY metro airports (JFK, EWR, LGA, MMU, HPN, FRG), but TEB is the favored in the region.

I’m not so sure why reading comprehension is so hard for you.
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The #1 hotspot for TCAS in the country for 121 is BUR. Reason: VNY. The TEB of the LA basin.


This thread went off the rails with suggestions to curtail / cut RJ flights and when Fox said hey that’s my well being, it ended up with personal attacks.


But people will get their wishes this year. If oil stays above $100 consistently this year, you’re going to see one major go out of business and probably one regional too - but not Skywest.
 
melax said:
It's been reported that the fire truck wasn't fitted with a transponder !!! WTF ! (If true)
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Stupid, but not uncommon. Transponders are expensive. The mode c doesn't even need to work, I am sure there are or at least were a ton of transponders on the market after the ads mandate, probably could have just pulled them out of the junk pile.
 
Such that the only contribution I have to this thread isn’t going to be “you’re FRAKKING kidding me” and/or “shut your FRAKKING mouth…”

The rest of us feel deeply for the on-duty death of our fellow union members from north of the border, and we express our profoundest regret and sadness for what happened at LaGuardia. We stand in solidarity with our Jazz Aviation colleagues and welcome the NTSB’s vigorous investigation to this tragic loss of life.
 
killbilly said:
I know this will make me a witch in church with regard to the industry, but the best way I can see to implement a limit is to have a minimum seat count per aircraft in slot-controlled airports.

In other words, far fewer 50/76 seat RJs.

Before anyone accuses me of trying to pull up a ladder behind me....I absolutely, 100% DEPEND on those same RJs to get to and from work on a commute that really shouldn't be difficult but is. But if you put fewer, larger aircraft on the same routes, you de-congest the airspace and still preserve the largest number of available seat-miles. Commuting is a choice. I'd make do in the interest of smoother operations and a safer environment.
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Completely agree, every time I see a CRJ at LGA its just like how on earth is this is appropriate use of this airport's resources.
 
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Yes, you.
 
Autothrust Blue said:
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Yes, you.
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Don't make this personal. I'm defending my livelihood in a topical discussion, and this is not the place for ... whatever attack the above is.

Your slagging above along with using this tragedy for your typical performative faux-gravitas:

The rest of us feel deeply for the on-duty death of our fellow union members from north of the border, and we express our profoundest regret and sadness for what happened at LaGuardia. We stand in solidarity with our Jazz Aviation colleagues and welcome the NTSB’s vigorous investigation to this tragic loss of life.
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... is repulsive, and I hope some part of you realizes that you're taking advantage of this situation to pivot to your personal grievance with me, whatever that is.

I've defended you in public and private for a very long time—to my detriment at times—even as you've chosen to become more of a prick to me as time went on.
 
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