Legacy Reserve Pilot Wavetops

Flyinthrew

Flyinthrew

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Gentlemen, Ladies, Foxes,

I have a lot of nOob questions, but I try to research them before I waste trons asking about them. This one, I need help on. The knowledge that's out there either goes stale immediately after a new contract/TA or it gets so twisted up by opinion and non-fact (ahem, APC) that I can't figure out what the hell is actually going on.

Can people share the 'wave tops' of reserve rules at DAL, AA, UAL, and FedEx? Particularly, what is your shop's policy on assigning long call and short call. Does anybody still have 15 minute notice airport sits?
 
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Yeeeaah, that’s what I thought after I posted, too. I’ll narrow it down. I’ve been told that, for instance, at DAL all reserve when it’s scheduled is 12 hour call-out. Sometimes that turns into short call but they have to give you 12 hours notice that you’re going on short call. Is that at all correct? Are other legacies close to that? Looking through the lens of a guy who can drive or 1 leg to base, but not necessarily within 2 hours.

The experienced guys say work rules are more important than pay scale, but it’s hard to do a side by side comparison from the outside.


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Flyinthrew said:
Yeeeaah, that’s what I thought after I posted, too. I’ll narrow it down. I’ve been told that, for instance, at DAL all reserve when it’s scheduled is 12 hour call-out. Sometimes that turns into short call but they have to give you 12 hours notice that you’re going on short call. Is that at all correct?
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In a very basic fashion, yes.

How in the world did someone call that a 'wave top' is my question.
 
I think to answer these questions you'd need a copy of the contract. You'd also have to become quite the expert at each contract, for each legacy because you'd have to also understand how the rules interacted with each other in different ways to get a real answer. So yeah if you do this let me know because I have no idea how the work rules are where I am currently employed. If you come up with something easy to digest that would be great!
 
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Flyinthrew said:
Yeeeaah, that’s what I thought after I posted, too. I’ll narrow it down. I’ve been told that, for instance, at DAL all reserve when it’s scheduled is 12 hour call-out. Sometimes that turns into short call but they have to give you 12 hours notice that you’re going on short call. Is that at all correct?
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In a very basic fashion, yes.

How in the world did someone call that a 'wave top' is my question.
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What basic elements are missing that one would need to call it a complete picture?


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Flyinthrew said:
What basic elements are missing that one would need to call it a complete picture?


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When you get placed on short call time and seniority-wise. If you get credit for being on a short call period. How many short calls you can be assigned. Trip assignment when you're on short call. How the contract defines short call. Trip credit/pay when on short call. Reroute rules when you're flying reserve. There's a lot.

Contracts are extremely challenging to compare and APC largely made a imprecise mockery of it in my humble opinion. My companies information isn't even correct.
 
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When you get placed on short call time and seniority-wise. If you get credit for being on a short call period. How many short calls you can be assigned. Trip assignment when you're on short call. How the contract defines short call. Trip credit/pay when on short call. Reroute rules when you're flying reserve. There's a lot.

Contracts are extremely challenging to compare and APC largely made a imprecise mockery of it in my humble opinion. My companies information isn't even correct.
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THAT is why I called the first statement 'wave tops.' It gets deep, and I appreciate that. I guess the only other one I am interested in answering at the moment is how many reserve periods in a month can be turned into short calls? Is there a limit or is the answer all of them?

Does American look similar to this? Are there any key differences?
 
I literally have no idea what happens outside of SouthernJets at all so I'm a rotten guy to ask! :) I haven't been on reserve for quite a while and, with a new contract, I really have no idea.
 
Flyinthrew said:
More like Cliff’s Notes. If I had the documents to read, I probably would. Then my questions wouldn’t sound like word vomit.


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Let me save you some hassle.

They're all kind of different and usually in flux depending on letters of agreement, the equipment you're on and, well, the season.

A little better "higher" up the food chain, a little worse "lower" on the food chain. A little better at the larger, more established airlines, sometimes not so much at the smaller, newer airlines.

Like Too $hort said, "Get in where ya fit in" :)
 
UPS, at least in my base, is all short call. 2 hour callout. There is long call in the contract but they are always too understaffed to staff it so it might as well not exist. Reserve assignments go out on a time away from base model. In other words, he who has he most time away from base is least likely to have to work. Call out periods are 12 on, 12 off, and vary between 11am, 11pm, and 4pm starts. Some week on, week off, some two on, two off, and some broken up, but you owe them 14 days out of 28. The nice thing is you get normal min guarantee of 75 hours per pay period even if you work less. There is a deal where they can work you into your days off if nobody else can cover the trip. I think if it goes into the second day you get paid extra.
 
Derg said:
Let me save you some hassle.

They're all kind of different and usually in flux depending on letters of agreement, the equipment you're on and, well, the season.

A little better "higher" up the food chain, a little worse "lower" on the food chain. A little better at the larger, more established airlines, sometimes not so much at the smaller, newer airlines.

Like Too $hort said, "Get in where ya fit in" :)
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I might be a white guy from Marin County but I still wish my life was a Too Short rap.
 
Out in here the islands reserve is, depending on staffing and where you sit, a 3 or 4 hour call out (or 2 or 3 hour if you are flying inter island). 12 hour RAPs, normally starting at 3am for inter island and 5am for everybody else. As of now there is rarely a red eye reserve. Inter island has airport reserve (10am-6pm, hard credit of what you fly or 5hrs/per day and pays minute for minute anything you work after 6pm... goes super senior). Technically there is "leveling" so the guy who has the least credit for the month should be the next to fly, but they base if of intangible stuff like number of days available and many days a guy has left in the month... and who they like (or dislike) more. Once plus of reserve is, even though you only get 12 days off (and a 75 hour guarantee), you can put 18 days in a row together (and they'll give you 30 hour rest breaks as needed) which makes it attractive for commuters.
 
BEEF SUPREME said:
I might be a white guy from Marin County but I still wish my life was a Too Short rap.
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Bah! That just means you had money to purchase the albums (instead of copying them) and could afford the good drugs! Don't pull that Ward Cleaver crap on me! :)
 
Derg said:
Let me save you some hassle.

They're all kind of different and usually in flux depending on letters of agreement, the equipment you're on and, well, the season.

A little better "higher" up the food chain, a little worse "lower" on the food chain. A little better at the larger, more established airlines, sometimes not so much at the smaller, newer airlines.

Like Too $hort said, "Get in where ya fit in" :)
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A Too $hort reference on a flying forum. Straight expert level.
 
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