Learjet 75

Hopefully, the 70's are what the 60 should have been. Great engines, etc, but give it some new landing gear and wings so you can reach your true potential...
 
Stone Cold said:
Hopefully, the 70's are what the 60 should have been. Great engines, etc, but give it some new landing gear and wings so you can reach your true potential...
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I could google it, but I'll just ask. Does the 70 series have a comparable power/weight ratio to the 60?
 
My understanding is that the 70/75 is an evolution of the 40/45 (narrow tube), and are pretty much unrelated to the 55/60 (fatter tube).

As such, the 70/75 has some upgrades to systems, avionics, and even more power, so should be a real dream.
 
Patrick said:
My understanding is that the 70/75 is an evolution of the 40/45 (narrow tube), and are pretty much unrelated to the 55/60 (fatter tube).

As such, the 70/75 has some upgrades to systems, avionics, and even more power, so should be a real dream.
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True. I've flown all the Lears except the 40/45, have always heard good things about them, but have never really heard how the climb performance is (compared to the other Lears). Just wondering.
 
I haven't flown the 60, but my understanding is that it is more of a rocket ship than the 70, but not nearly as well-rounded an aircraft.

60:
9,200 pounds thrust
23,500 pounds max take-off weight
0.392 ratio

70:
7,700 pounds thrust
21,500 pounds max take-off weight
0.358 ratio
 
SteveC said:
I haven't flown the 60, but my understanding is that it is more of a rocket ship than the 70, but not nearly as well-rounded an aircraft.

60:
9,200 pounds thrust
23,500 pounds max take-off weight
0.392 ratio

70:
7,700 pounds thrust
21,500 pounds max take-off weight
0.358 ratio
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Exactly the same I'm told.
 
I'm totally jealous. Been flying the 45xr for the lat 5 years. The 75 looks to be what will make a good airplane great. It's kinda sad when our ipad has a better moving map than the airplane.

As far as Lears go, nothing will beat the straight jet 24/25 vertically. I've only got about 10 hours in a 25, but it climbed like hell. We took off vfr out of EL Centro one day. We were through 12k down wind abeam mid field. Doing about 9-10k fpm. The 45xr is a very well balanced airplane. When you're light you can still get pretty decent climb rates as well. We had a maint flight yesterday and got to FL430 in about twenty minutes with some level offs. On the way down with just spoilers I got it to 8500fpm. 430 to 12k in under 4min 30sec.
 
PositionAndHold said:
I'm totally jealous. Been flying the 45xr for the lat 5 years. The 75 looks to be what will make a good airplane great. It's kinda sad when our ipad has a better moving map than the airplane.

As far as Lears go, nothing will beat the straight jet 24/25 vertically. I've only got about 10 hours in a 25, but it climbed like hell. We took off vfr out of EL Centro one day. We were through 12k down wind abeam mid field. Doing about 9-10k fpm. The 45xr is a very well balanced airplane. When you're light you can still get pretty decent climb rates as well. We had a maint flight yesterday and got to FL430 in about twenty minutes with some level offs. On the way down with just spoilers I got it to 8500fpm. 430 to 12k in under 4min 30sec.
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Please tell me that there is some amazing anti finger smudge technology in that thing.

On my plane there is ZERO reason to ever touch the glass displays, yet people's hand prints are all over them. I can't imagine what they'd look like if you HAD to touch them.
 
PositionAndHold said:
As far as Lears go, nothing will beat the straight jet 24/25 vertically.
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Lear 23/24/25 is on my bucket-list. I guess I'd better hurry, since I can't imagine that many are RVSM'd, and I'd imagine they have a range of about 30 miles at FL270. But hey, you get there in about two minutes! Just glide to the landing!
 
Boris Badenov said:
Lear 23/24/25 is on my bucket-list. I guess I'd better hurry, since I can't imagine that many are RVSM'd, and I'd imagine they have a range of about 30 miles at FL270. But hey, you get there in about two minutes! Just glide to the landing!
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They're going bye-bye in 2015, unless the operators opt for the hush-kits.
 
Boris Badenov said:
Lear 23/24/25 is on my bucket-list. I guess I'd better hurry, since I can't imagine that many are RVSM'd, and I'd imagine they have a range of about 30 miles at FL270. But hey, you get there in about two minutes! Just glide to the landing!
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They'll also come down like a greased manhole cover. Pretty close to 1:1. We were 45 miles out of SUN at either 410 or 430, I forget, but we still made the airport. Empty of course.

Yeah, the joke I was always told about 25‘s was, you declare a fuel emergency in the comments section of the flight plan. :) If you get stuck down low you're screwed. It's turning fuel into noise at an extreme rate.
 
The 40/45 doesn't climb like a 60, even with the BR engines but it is MUCH better at the higher altitudes...like a rock at FL470, where you still have to power back to keep from busting through .80.

Ultimately we decided against the 75 (serial number 2 by the way...) and went with a Challenger 300....the 07 model came at the same purchase price as the 2014 Lear 75. Obviously the operating costs are a little more but overall it fits our needs better. Currently I'm looking to buy a larger suitcase!

Challenger 300 initial starts June 2 in lovely Wilmington, DE!
 
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