Lear 75 at Morristown KMMU

[ahw01]

From a CFI friend today;
“Gusty out of the NW “
Which might go along with over correcting and dropping that right wing.

It's not a katana :-/

 

[Minuteman]

Those spoilers still valiantly doing their job are adorable.

 

[KLB]

View attachment 64144

It really is tough getting parts on any Bombardier airframe these days.

 

[DropTank]

My guess based on how strong the winds were today follows along with @SteveC. From the pics you can see that the right wing is shorter than the left. I’m pretty sure even Lear wouldn’t design it that way!

The right wing dug in and ripped the wing assembly off and the designed shear points. Fuselage continued because the pilots were putting in power to fly it out

 

[Baronman]

From a CFI friend today;
“Gusty out of the NW “
Which might go along with over correcting and dropping that right wing.

It's always gusty in the NE.

 

[Cherokee_Cruiser]

Here's my uneducated wild-ass guess: loss of directional control, went off the right side of the runway with the left main lifting back off the ground while the right main was making the rut. Left main slams back down on soft ground, digs in hard and brings the undercarriage and wings to a screeching halt while the fuselage continues on its way.

I don't recall giving you my online job?

You have to earn jet University's BS GAD. Bachelor of Science in Guessing at Aviation Disasters.

I graduated, with dishonors.

 

[dustoff17]

It's not a katana :-/

Not tracking with you….

 

[Roger Roger]

Not tracking with you….

I think the implication is that it would have to be pretty rowdy for a 20k lb airplane with 120 knot VREF to get blown around enough to lose control. And the metars apparently don’t indicate that it was?

 

[BEEF SUPREME]

Should buff right out.

 

[SteveC]

A possible twist in the narrative:

"Greer said the National Transportation Safety Board (NTSB) is investigating what the airport classified as a “Category B runway incident.” The Federal Aviation Administration describes a “Category B runway incursion” as an incident where “there is a significant potential for collision,” requiring quick action."

Learjet 75, N877W: Accident occurred April 02, 2022 at Morristown Municipal Airport (KMMU), Morris County, New Jersey

This is preliminary information, subject to change, and may contain errors. Any errors in this report will be corrected when the final repor...

www.kathrynsreport.com

 

[SteveC]

 

[DropTank]

A possible twist in the narrative:

"Greer said the National Transportation Safety Board (NTSB) is investigating what the airport classified as a “Category B runway incident.” The Federal Aviation Administration describes a “Category B runway incursion” as an incident where “there is a significant potential for collision,” requiring quick action."

Learjet 75, N877W: Accident occurred April 02, 2022 at Morristown Municipal Airport (KMMU), Morris County, New Jersey

This is preliminary information, subject to change, and may contain errors. Any errors in this report will be corrected when the final repor...

www.kathrynsreport.com

deer?
Airport authority with their head in their ass? (didn't see any truck debris)
Airplane pulled out in front of them? (H or G?)

Last seems possible. Weekend Saturday with good weather and calm winds brings out the weekend warriors.
Can't remember if MMU has a weekend tower. (been a while)

 

[fholbert]

Can't remember if MMU has a weekend tower. (been a while)

Looks like they do.

MORRISTOWN GROUND:​	134.2 [0645-2230]
MORRISTOWN TOWER:​	118.1 353.9 [0645-2230]

 

[NovemberEcho]

deer?
Airport authority with their head in their ass? (didn't see any truck debris)
Airplane pulled out in front of them? (H or G?)

Last seems possible. Weekend Saturday with good weather and calm winds brings out the weekend warriors.
Can't remember if MMU has a weekend tower. (been a while)

yes they do and also an intersecting runway 13/31

 

[Cherokee_Cruiser]

 

[SteveC]

A possible twist in the narrative:

"Greer said the National Transportation Safety Board (NTSB) is investigating what the airport classified as a “Category B runway incident.” The Federal Aviation Administration describes a “Category B runway incursion” as an incident where “there is a significant potential for collision,” requiring quick action."

Learjet 75, N877W: Accident occurred April 02, 2022 at Morristown Municipal Airport (KMMU), Morris County, New Jersey

This is preliminary information, subject to change, and may contain errors. Any errors in this report will be corrected when the final repor...

www.kathrynsreport.com

I listened to the ATC tapes (tower and ground), and didn't hear anything that sounded like a potential runway incursion. The only Ground comms were a Flexjet that landed and taxied to Signature quite a few minutes prior. There was one other plane on tower frequency using the intersecting runway, and tower called that airplane's base turn and cleared then to land, #2 after the Lear. It was still in the air and sent around after the Lear crash.

 

[NovemberEcho]

Do things like deer count as a runway incursion?

 

[dustoff17]

I think the implication is that it would have to be pretty rowdy for a 20k lb airplane with 120 knot VREF to get blown around enough to lose control. And the metars apparently don’t indicate that it was?

Well we all know how inaccurate METARs can be!!
Maybe this just boils down to pilot technique.

 

[Roger Roger]

Well we all know how inaccurate METARs can be!!
Maybe this just boils down to pilot technique.

Annoying as it is to wait, looks like we’ll just have to….should be pretty easy to figure out what happened considering everyone involved is able to talk.

 

[NovemberEcho]

Per my colleagues, around that time in the morning winds were roughly 330@8g15