Lear 55 off the runway

bucksmith

bucksmith

Did you lock the doors?
This happened at the airport where I grew up. It’s funny, the edge they nearly went over is probably 150 feet high and pretty steep. We used to hang out on that hill and watch the airplanes land.
The article is the reason I’m posting, good lord, it’s got a couple of great quotes!

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Monmouth plane crash: ‘It’s incredible it didn’t explode on impact’

A jet skidded off the runway at Monmouth Executive Airport in Wall on Tuesday night.
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There's some dumb flippin people running small airports across the country, and apparently Rita Spader is one of them.

Clearly she had to advocate at some point in her career for a 7,500 foot runway.
 
gne in prog said:
“The Learjet 55 has a cruising speed of 285 mph”

I would have guessed higher than that.
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I’m not sure where the moron author of that article got their facts but it’s an absolute gem. Even though this is rare, it is quite humorous when these authors gather their sources from horrible places like Wikipedia. I have added so much BS to wiki that continues to be propagated to the point that other “reputable sources” will parrot the BS data and will point back to the BS on Wiki as proof. Then when someone keen deletes the BS data on wiki, the deletion will be corrected again pointing to the “reputable source” as a reputable reference. Now it’s locked into history. I have done this to add a dozen people I know into IMDB.
 
chipdumper said:
I’m not sure where the moron author of that article got their facts but it’s an absolute gem. Even though this is rare, it is quite humorous when these authors gather their sources from horrible places like Wikipedia. I have added so much BS to wiki that continues to be propagated to the point that other “reputable sources” will parrot the BS data and will point back to the BS on Wiki as proof. Then when someone keen deletes the BS data on wiki, the deletion will be corrected again pointing to the “reputable source” as a reputable reference. Now it’s locked into history. I have done this to add a dozen people I know into IMDB.
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It’s not only enough to disregard Wikipedia for post-secondary academic references, but during grad school I got chastised for using news articles as sources for various papers. Teach said, “you must use scholarly sources.”

I got the last laugh, I quoted a high school teacher.
 
bucksmith said:
The article is the reason I’m posting, good lord, it’s got a couple of great quotes!
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"The brakes were fine and the maintenance of the plane was perfect," said Raul Hernandez, who cleans the planes for AP Global Jet. He said the company is fully cooperating with the FAA's investigation.
Hernandez said the slickness of the runway was most likely the reason the plane slid onto the hillside.
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That’s an informed airplane cleaner! :D
 
bucksmith said:
This happened at the airport where I grew up. It’s funny, the edge they nearly went over is probably 150 feet high and pretty steep. We used to hang out on that hill and watch the airplanes land.
The article is the reason I’m posting, good lord, it’s got a couple of great quotes!

www.google.com

Monmouth plane crash: ‘It’s incredible it didn’t explode on impact’

A jet skidded off the runway at Monmouth Executive Airport in Wall on Tuesday night.
www.google.com www.google.com
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Two (2) Pax on a Lear 55 with Two (2) Crew... I'm surprised it ever made if off the ground! :biggrin::p;)
 
Crop Duster said:
Two (2) Pax on a Lear 55 with Two (2) Crew... I'm surprised it ever made if off the ground! :biggrin::p;)
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Don’t those things have an AD to check tire pressure once a week or something cause those little tires will kill ya if they lose a little pressure?
 
mikecweb said:
I thought that was the 60
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It is the 60, and I think it's either every preflight or first flight of the day, IIRC there's a form that needs to stay in the flight log that gets filled out with the tire pressures. Pilots don't like doing it because they have to get on their hands and knees and get their hands dirty while in uniform. I think the AD eventually required a mod that gets rid of the requirement, it involves some rerouting and shielding of the wheel speed sensor and weight on wheels switch wiring harnesses. It also requires installing a box and associated wiring that adds some logic into the anti-skid, weight on wheels, spoilers and thrust reverser systems. I did a couple of them a few years ago so my memory is a little fuzzy regarding the details. All of it was due to the accident involving Travis Barker (drummer for Blink 182).
 
The poor certified GA owners probably should know that the Lear 60 lead to the little-known Coleal Letter/decision that reversed the FAA’s stance on owner/pilot performed preventative maintenance (14 CFR 43 Appendix A). Before Coleal, it was decided that the activities that could be performed by an owner/pilot were strictly limited to what was written in Appendix A. Since Coleal, any PM that consists of “simple or minor preservation operations and the replacement of small standard parts not involving complex assembly operations” can be performed (Part 91). This includes checking the tire pressure on a Lear 60. They also make it clear that any Part 135 is allowed to petition for relief so the pilots can check the pressures.
There are so many pilots that believe that changing the light bulb in my compass requires an $85/hr A&P.
 
The problem with the 60 crash and burn was not really low tire pressure. That certainly was part of it. Kinda the fuse on the bomb. But it was soooo much more than that. A true Charlie Fox. And the pilot definitely lighted the fuse.

Tire pressure is always important to check, regardless of aircraft type.. Significantly low or high tire pressure can lead to a variety of bad things.

At least in smaller jets where it's possible to do so, tire pressure should be checked somewhat similarly to how engine oil level, or brake accumulator pressure is checked. You know, a look see as part of the walk-around/pre-flight. And then specifically by a wrench with gauge at normal intervals.
 
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Crop Duster said:
The problem with the 60 crash and burn was not really low tire pressure. That certainly was part of it. Kinda the fuse on the bomb. But it was soooo much more than that. A true Charlie Fox. And the pilot definitely lighted the fuse.

Tire pressure is always important to check, regardless of aircraft type.. Significantly low or high tire pressure can lead to a variety of bad things.

At least in smaller jets where it's possible to do so, tire pressure should be checked somewhat similarly to how engine oil level, or brake accumulator pressure is checked. You know, a look see as part of the walk-around/pre-flight. And then specifically by a wrench with gauge at normal intervals.
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It isn't just airplanes, anyone that owned a Ford Explorer twenty years ago is quite familiar with how important tire pressure is. Then there are the aircraft accidents like the Lear 60 in Columbia, SC and the Nigeria 2120 crash.
 
It was mind blowing to me how so many of those Firestone drivers were running 15-25 PSI in their tires. After marrying a blonde I understand why this happens.
 
Inverted said:
The 60 is the reason for the AD but they applied it to the 55 as well.
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I don't recall it being applied to the 55 although it does make sense. Of course my experience is tainted because I figured out how to stay away from any 55 and any kind of Hawker for very different reasons, the 55s follies were kind of fixed with the 60 but all of the Hawkers were engineered by steam punks on acid and built by slave labor under punishment of death like a kid in an African diamond mine. Both of them were not built to be worked on and I hate them.
 
chipdumper said:
It was mind blowing to me how so many of those Firestone drivers were running 15-25 PSI in their tires. After marrying a blonde I understand why this happens.
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That sounds more like mind shredding. Mind blowing generally occurs when the tires are overinflated to 50-60 psi. ;)
 
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