Lear 31 departing TEX some time ago

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lr31apilot

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In an attempt to one day post something as fun to watch as Ryan1234's video here is my first video upload. This was last year sometime departing Telluride Colorado recorded on an iphone.

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The engine looking for a plane...unlike the 55, which is a plane looking for an engine.

What's the call out I'm hearing after the 60 and 80 knot cross checks?
 
TFaudree_ERAU said:
The engine looking for a plane...unlike the 55, which is a plane looking for an engine.

What's the call out I'm hearing after the 60 and 80 knot cross checks?
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Most likely panels clear.

Talking about the annunciator panel. Does the Lear 31 have a master caution light?

I've heard it sometimes in the Citation 500 series (except the Encore, Encore+ and maybe the Bravo, they have a MC light). The reason is that there is only a master warning light, no master caution. The only things that trigger the MW light are any red light on the annunciator panel, a dual gen failure or TR deployment. So you could be blasting off into an icing environment, get a Pitot/Static Heater Off light at 70, not see it and continue the takeoff. That's the reason people do the check in the Citation and I'm assuming in this case as well.


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Balanced field:
A balanced field takeoff is a condition where the accelerate-stop distance required (ASDR) is equal to the takeoff distance required (TODR) for the aircraft weight, engine thrust, aircraft configuration and runway condition.[SUP]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Balanced_field_takeoff#cite_note-0[/SUP]For a given aircraft weight, engine thrust, aircraft configuration and runway condition the shortest runway length that complies with safety regulations is the balanced field length. [SUP]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Balanced_field_takeoff#cite_note-1[/SUP][SUP]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Balanced_field_takeoff#cite_note-2[/SUP]
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Balanced_field_takeoff
 
ProudPilot said:
I think I heard Vr there too. I believe in this part of the world we say Rotate...
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I think that is dependent upon the flight department. We say "VR" also -- and when I got here I couldn't understand why we went contrary to industry standard. Their reasoning is interesting though. "Rotate" can be construed to be a command. Whereas "Vr" is notification of passing a speed.

If you don't have the airplane under control at Vr, why take it airborne? The little 31a can be a wiggly pig on a V1 cut so taking a few extra seconds to get the thing aligned with the runway centerline can be a lot safer than beginning rotation just because the person in the right seat says to. (I understand that in doing so all of your performance numbers become strictly academic...)

Anyhow, that's the reasoning as it was explained to me in our operation. Not sure what the other callout is. We don't have any talking between 80 knots and V1 and will only abort for fire, failure, thrust reverser deploy, or loss of directional control within that 80KIAS to V1 window.
 
Thanks for posting! Where to start?

There is absolutely no reason for the 60 knot callout but for some reason that day I called 60 knots... not really sure why (not something I should have done... it could only lead to confusion).

The real callout is "80 knots cross check, Panels clear" meaning we will abort for ANY light below 80 knots but after 80 knots we will only abort for major items like engine fire, failure, or loss of directional control, up to V1. After V1, of course, we are going flying.

Zap is correct, we use VR because its simply a speed not a command. I was taught at CAE and Flight Safety that VR means you can rotate not that you have to. If it take you another second or two past VR to make sure you are established, under-control, and parallel to centerline before rotating the results are much better.

Hope this all makes sense. I have a bit of a cold and an enjoyable amount of NyQuil in my system.
 
Great videos! Kinda surprised how slow you climbed out though. Not saying its wrong, just thought you would shoot up. Maybe cause I am used to John Wayne noise abatement here.
 
N519AT said:
Most likely panels clear.

Talking about the annunciator panel. Does the Lear 31 have a master caution light?

I've heard it sometimes in the Citation 500 series (except the Encore, Encore+ and maybe the Bravo, they have a MC light). The reason is that there is only a master warning light, no master caution. The only things that trigger the MW light are any red light on the annunciator panel, a dual gen failure or TR deployment. So you could be blasting off into an icing environment, get a Pitot/Static Heater Off light at 70, not see it and continue the takeoff. That's the reason people do the check in the Citation and I'm assuming in this case as well.


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Yes, the Lear 31A only has a Master Warning light. No Master Caution.
 
smack300 said:
Great videos! Kinda surprised how slow you climbed out though. Not saying its wrong, just thought you would shoot up. Maybe cause I am used to John Wayne noise abatement here.
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No, you are totally correct, we climbed rather leisurely. The aircraft is capable of really aggressive climbs even at 9000 MSL. I was not the pilot flying and we very VFR flying away from the mountains so it did not really matter.
 
smack300 said:
Great videos! Kinda surprised how slow you climbed out though. Not saying its wrong, just thought you would shoot up. Maybe cause I am used to John Wayne noise abatement here.
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I was surprised too. Keeping the 31a below 200KIAS in the Delta is a handful and usually requires pulling off a handful of thrust (to avoid excessive deck angles), especially when it's cold. That said TEX is nontowered, and there are no terrain issues to the west, so I guess if you want to go right to 250 you could do so.
 
You know I was pulling all your chains with the rotate bit right? Next time I should add a 'boy to the end of that sentence. Either that or a spitoon.
 
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