latest on minimum flight times?

Maybe I missed something in an earlier post but how many airline accidents in the past few years have involved a low-time crewmember anyway? It seems to me that the government needs to be raising the bar for the airlines and how they run their companies rather than new hires.
 
todd405 said:
Maybe I missed something in an earlier post but how many airline accidents in the past few years have involved a low-time crewmember anyway? It seems to me that the government needs to be raising the bar for the airlines and how they run their companies rather than new hires.
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Haven't heard of AQP have you?
 
surreal1221 said:
Haven't heard of AQP have you?
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Yeah I was thinking more along the lines of revising the crew rest regulations to combat pilot fatigue. For instance when rest actually starts. I am pretty sure a lot of operators (121 and 135) take advantage of flight crews in this situation.
 
Socal321 said:
If they actually set 1500 as a minimum to apply to a regional, they will have about 2 pilot show up for class during the next hiring wave because no one is training right now.
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Not sure if you are right or wrong on that one. I do think that there would be some guys that might not be hireable now, (old DUI, failed checkrides, spotty work record, whatever) and are not barred by regulation from being hired, who might skate into a class. Just a guess but there always seem to be a hit from the "law of unintended consequences".
 
todd405 said:
Yeah I was thinking more along the lines of revising the crew rest regulations to combat pilot fatigue. For instance when rest actually starts. I am pretty sure a lot of operators (121 and 135) take advantage of flight crews in this situation.
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They're working on it, and many of us within ALPA expect the FAA to stick to their September time table.
 
kellwolf said:
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2010-...oost-in-airline-pilots-flight-experience.html

Not sure how we all missed this. Marcus is falling down on the job. Posts it on Facebook, but leaves us hanging over here! :)
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It's posted in the general section.

A commercial certificate will still be issued at current Part 61/141 requirements, it's only the ability to be hired by a 121 certificate holder will (thankfully) be increased to 1500 hours tt.

Sure would be nice if the media would make that distinction. But that'd confuse far too many people.

"Commercial certificate? Wat!?"
 
I bet every 135 carrier is going to implement a program to offer valuable SIC time (turbine at that!) at a fraction of what it would cost to rent a 152.
Hey, anyone want to be my FO in the caravan? You'll get to load all the bags (valuable exercise), do the paperwork and I'll let you fly every leg! :p

If we have too many boxes you have to stay behind though :( or if I need more fuel...
 
SpiraMirabilis said:
I bet every 135 carrier is going to implement a program to offer valuable SIC time (turbine at that!) at a fraction of what it would cost to rent a 152.
Hey, anyone want to be my FO in the caravan? You'll get to load all the bags (valuable exercise), do the paperwork and I'll let you fly every leg! :p

If we have too many boxes you have to stay behind though :( or if I need more fuel...
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Didn't Airnet already do something like that?
 
And ameriflight, and key lime. My company never did, but we did use to hire FOs for the metros so they could build to 135 mins, back when it was hard to find guys willing to work for us. We paid them poverty level wages (same as first year regional) but we did pay them.
 
SpiraMirabilis said:
And ameriflight, and key lime. My company never did, but we did use to hire FOs for the metros so they could build to 135 mins, back when it was hard to find guys willing to work for us. We paid them poverty level wages (same as first year regional) but we did pay them.
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Figured as much. I remember looking at the Airnet SIC program back in the day, just couldn't remember the specifics.

1500 hours for 121 SICs won't stop the meatgrinder entirely, but it'll dampen it a bit. Just maybe.
 
I could see that happening, but I'd have to caution every starry eyed newbie looking into the program to make sure 135 rules are followed to make sure they can LEGALLY log SIC time rather than just paying someone to sit in the right seat and log the time. I guarantee some unscrupulous operators out there will charge people money for an SIC position and not give them a 135 SIC checkout because it costs money. Then they come up against an a'hole like me in the interview.
 
SpiraMirabilis said:
And ameriflight, and key lime. My company never did, but we did use to hire FOs for the metros so they could build to 135 mins, back when it was hard to find guys willing to work for us. We paid them poverty level wages (same as first year regional) but we did pay them.
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Hhhm,
Most excellent point one that did not even in the slightest occur to me but should have. Well done for foreseeing a most likely development,that might unfortunately be a big detriment. :vomit:
 
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