Last one out of California turn off the lights.

KSCessnaDriver said:
Man, I don't know where the hell you live, but it must be really expensive to cost over $20,000 to get a pound of beef and a case of beer.
Click to expand...

Not to be overly a smartass (oh who am I kidding), but maybe you need to sit down and watch this to figure that of which he speaks:

[yt]wupToqz1e2g[/yt]
 
Autothrust Blue said:
Not to be overly a smartass (oh who am I kidding), but maybe you need to sit down and watch this to figure that of which he speaks:
Click to expand...

I have always been a huge fan of Carl Sagan's work. I've read most of his books, and Pale Blue Dot is probably one of my favorites. That quote from YouTube video comes straight from his book, and it really puts everything that happens here into perspective.
 
Apophis said:
I have always been a huge fan of Carl Sagan's work. I've read most of his books, and Pale Blue Dot is probably one of my favorites. That quote from YouTube video comes straight from his book, and it really puts everything that happens here into perspective.
Click to expand...

I get similar "small human" vibes when I fly. The sky is big - the sky is, in fact, really big - we are rather insignificant in its vastness. From not very high at all, especially compared to how far out Voyager was, you can see from end to end of the largest of the planet's cities. You can have a million people in view at once. And we're all stuck here.

It shouldn't take too many beautiful sunrises, or sunsets, towering thunderstorms or mountain ranges, or other majestic views to convince a person that this is a place worth protecting. Because as nice as it is up there, being an island in the sky as Gann spoke of, we're still going to have to live here for the foreseeable future.
 
gliderboy said:
Might be a blessing in disguise. One of lead's functions in gasoline is to inhibit detonation. However, ethanol (like that found in mogas) also inhibits detonation.
Click to expand...

The only problem I see with this is ethonal and methonal attack magnesium. I know in old veedub engines, when we ran them on booze in the dunes, we had to change change the oil as soon as we got home. Not sure of the magnesium content of an airplane engine though.
 
USMCmech said:
So, set a standard for unleaded AvGas.
Click to expand...

Several alternatives are being worked on by several companies, suing the users out of business isn't going to speed the process any. This lawsuit is bad for avgas users in every state.

Sent from outer space using tapatalk!.... DRRROID!
 
Apophis said:
In my previous response, I told you that a fininte system cannot support an infinite population, and then used the word nutter to describe a person who would make such an argument. Where is the ad-hominem here?
Click to expand...

Where does it say that the human population is infinite? Many civilizations are kept in check naturally, otherwise sharks, alligators, and cockroaches would have taken over the earth long ago. Where do you see that our resources are finite? Last I knew fruits, vegetables, and meat were constantly reproducing. If a human population has the possibility to be infinite then so does its food supply.



jtrain609 said:
That's all we are, or at least all you are. Eventually you'll leave Kansas City and realize how small this place is and how easy it is to screw it up beyond repair.
Click to expand...


It would actually take a whole lot to screw up the earth beyond repair. A lot. Remember that huge asteroid that slammed into earth and nearly killed every living thing? Yup, didn't work.

Sent from outer space using tapatalk!.... DRRROID![/QUOTE]
 
AvGas Lawsuit

http://www.aero-news.net/index.cfm?contentBlockId=b77f78c5-8f45-430f-9c3c-da3fc75af4e5

I'm re-posting this from another thread.

How do we as a aviation community influence this? I am curious to know what our resident legal counsel has to say.

We are all aware of the hazards of lead. However I can see a lawsuit like this opening the door to other legal action across the country; if the Center for Environmental Heath (CEH) wins their lawsuit. I could see major challenges for the G/A industry as a whole. What is next, targeting of jet fuel? Jet fuel is refined using all sorts of carcinogens. You can see the chemical makeup of both fuels on their specific MSDS.

The article mentions G/A aircraft flying on premium unleaded auto fuel. Based on my experience I have not seen a whole lot of G/A aircraft STCed to consume un-leaded fuel. There are a few, those aircraft are usually privately owned and do not represent a large portion of the G/A fleet.

I am all for finding safer, greener alternative fuels. However you can't cripple a major transportation industry in the quest to do so. There has to be a balance somewhere.

ASpilot2b gets credit for the finding the original source.
 
I was thinking we could have avoided this by posting signs at all the California border crossings that say "warning, this state contains chemicals known to cause cancer"


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk.... Allll haaaiiil steeeeve joooobs
 
Re: AvGas Lawsuit

There already is a non leaded synthetic version of AvGas that has FAA approval. The problem is the oil companies are paying the patent holders a lot of cash to keep it secret. There was an article in AOPA about it last year.
 
Re: AvGas Lawsuit

Auto fuel has two problems. Many airplanes can't use it, mainly the big piston twins which use most of the 100LL anyway, and also getting it. There is one airport in Oregon which sells MOGAS, and it's expensive. This, of course, is to do with ethanol contamination of auto fuels.
 
A continued expansion of the population exacerbates just about every problem associated with resource stress imaginable. Fuel, Energy, Water, Food, etc., all have limited quantities. The only problem that is improved by a continuing expansion of the population are pyramid schemes like real-estate and social security! Seriously, how can you deny that the more people need theses limited resources the more problems arise related to these resources.
 
Blackhawk said:
I think most people, if pressed, would either consider themselves environmentalists or express environmental views. The problem is that "environmental extremists" (for lack of a better term), often don't do the cost/benefit analysis of what they advocate. There is the extreme case (if my memory is correct), of the California home owner who was sued by the EPA for using a bulldozer to build a fire break in order to protect his house from a wild fire. I guess the area he bulldozed was the habitat for an endangered species... which of course was torched by the wild fire anyway. Or some of the anti-logging campaigners... who fail to realize that wood is a renewable asset in homebuilding. Or will attempt to shut down an entire industry, put thousands out of work and cause millions of dollars in losses for minimal gain. Or sell their "clunker" to buy a hybrid... not understanding that the carbon/energy used to build the hybrid is probably more than the energy saved by selling the "clunker". It's perspective and balance. No one probably wants to see a species go extinct. The vast majority don't want clear cut logging in most cases. Most would like us to use more energy efficient vehicles. But as my tai kwon do instructor in Korea use to say, "Balance".
Click to expand...

To amplify your point, Cigarettes and various form of tobacco are KNOWN carcinogens, yet they are still sold, while we spend MILLIONS ripping asbestos out of buildings. Balance.
 
gliderboy said:
Most typical GA engines are a product of 50's and 60's era technology. Magnetos with fixed and very primitive ignition curves, carburetors instead of injection. It's time to bring GA engines into the present. The Rotax engines used in todays' light sport planes are loaded with the modern technologies which could be easily applied to larger GA engines. The Rotax is designed to run on mogas and pumps out way more horsepower per cubic inch of displacement than the old clunkers in most of our planes.

Mogas — change you can believe in.
Click to expand...

So what do you think of the Porsche experiment of the late '80's?
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top