Last minute quitting...

R2F, you're absolutely right. Any reasonable employer is going to understand that you can't start for two weeks because you need to give customary notice to your current job. Anybody who won't work with that is the same sort of SOB who will give you a problem whenever the time comes to leave that job as well.

C650 ... Jim, theoretically you're right. However, airlines will send PRIA requests to all former aviation employers ... including Part 91 operators, flight schools, whomever. My chief pilot gets called downtown from time to time to reply to these things that are sent by former employees (I know of at least three people who held my job before I got here that are in "greener pastures" now ... two at Southwest and one at NetJets) ... of course, the HR people at a tobacco company don't know anything about it! While Part 91 operators are not (to the best of my knowledge) subject to PRIA, there's nothing stopping them from sending information out ... and that could include bogus information if there was an acrimonious split. Something to consider ...

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Oh boy, in the airline business, DON'T! Aviation is a small world, and people never forget.

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Ain't that the truth!

This is an enormously small industry. Way smaller than people realize and there are probably no more than 3 or 4 degrees of "separation" between most pilots.

And then you see the same peoploe again and again and again.
 
Yep! Yep! Yep!

I interviewed a pilot for a 747 job back in 1990, well, I am now working with the same pilot in California, he joined in 2002. Trust me, I remembered interviewing this guy, if he was a jerk, I would have remembered it & would have kept him from joining the company.

When I worked at Polar, any resume that did not have a letter of reference from a Polar pilot, the Chief Pilot would ask the Check Airmen if they ever heard of the pilot in question. They in turn would ask around as well.
 
I agree 100% about not burning bridges but there is another side ...

Comapnies and managers do not extend "two weeks" notice when they are laying people off/firing them. I think the days where two weeks notice is "expected" from an employee are rapidly coming to an end.

I've known too many people who find out ... in a late-day meeting ... that they are being let go only to walk back to their cubes to find their stuff packed and armed secuirty guards waiting to escort them off the premisis.

"Professional" courtesy is a two way street - if these "ambush layoffs" keep up I really don't think employers should expect anything different in return.

That being said ... I'd still give two weeks - or as much time as is possible but I wouldn't turn down a job simply because I couldn't give two weeks notice to my current job.
 
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I agree 100% about not burning bridges but there is another side ...

Comapnies and managers do not extend "two weeks" notice when they are laying people off/firing them. I think the days where two weeks notice is "expected" from an employee are rapidly coming to an end.

I've known too many people who find out ... in a late-day meeting ... that they are being let go only to walk back to their cubes to find their stuff packed and armed secuirty guards waiting to escort them off the premisis.

[/ QUOTE ] I've seen that more than once in my company in the past year... people will give their 2 weeks and the uppers will come in the next day saying "you can leave now" and automatically take them right out of the computer system - any info they had on there, that's theirs hoping to have enough time to take off - is gone! it's sad.. but with typical employers, esp in a "at will" state, they have no emotional or professional attachment to adhering to your two week notice... it's pretty sad!

as an example, we just had one manager fired this week that was "doing her job" but since the guy she was questioning was buddy buddy with the office manager - he let her go instead. since it's an "at will" state here, there's just not a thing that can be done about that type of treatment.
 
TN is an "At Will" state too, and I don't give anybody notice when I leave a job here (granted, I wouldn't leave a flying job with no notice).

Ahhh, the pleasure of leaving UPS in the middle of the Monday sort.....
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And when I left Sears? I went to lunch, and just didn't come back....
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Unprofessional? Well.....I suppose so, and I wouldn't do that within my career field. However, since they have the right to let me go with no notice, I can definately leave without notice!!!
 
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Comapnies and managers do not extend "two weeks" notice when they are laying people off/firing them. I think the days where two weeks notice is "expected" from an employee are rapidly coming to an end.


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I totally agree. I never agreed with burning bridges, but hey, most employers understand a better oppurtunity for you. Believe me, if a good relationship is already established and your work ethic proves you to be a good worker, giving short notice won't condemn that relationship. On the other hand, if you were a marginal employee that employer may ask what nerve you have leaving him/her like that LOL.

I have been the employee and employer and my experience has shown that as long as a good relationship is already established, most could care less. In fact employers aren't dumb and know if the position you are leaving for is a step up, most would be happy for you and/or give you a counter-offer.
 
I'd say avoid not giving adaquate notice and try not to burn any bridges. But if it's a solid step upward in the career ladder, don't turn down a job just to give notice.

I got a bad recommendation once because I left a job before staying a year, as had been our verbal agreement. Problem was, other guys were hired after me that weren't asked to make the same commitment. The agreement was based on how desperate Earl was for pilots at the moment. This inconsistency kinda ticked me off and I left for greener pastures with a two week notice. Went to work for the FAA, which probably ticked Earl off even more. Anyhow, when I tried to get back into flying I got a bad recommendation which cost me a twin job and may have delayed my progression a year or so. These things happen in this business and I have no regrets about the decision I made at the time, knowing what I knew then.
 
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Anyhow, when I tried to get back into flying I got a bad recommendation which cost me a twin job and may have delayed my progression a year or so.

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As much as I hate stupid lawsuits, couldn't that leave the former employee open to a lawsuit (if the former employee had enough money for a lawyer...)?
 
Something else to think about, I draw this example from my dad who's in the construction buisness but it's a real small world similar to aviation. When he is interviewing someone for a position, he'll ask them what jobs they have done in the past (various buildings in this case) and then he usually knows one or two people that also worked on that building and he'll call them up and ask about the person he's interviewing. He doesn't usually call the person's references because they are only going to say good things, he'll call people through the back lines, so to speak, and find out what they are really like.
 
thanks everyone for replying, and yes i am referring to the recent (and on-going) Airnet quitting...
It is sad considering this company does NOT make it difficult for pilots to interview and very frequently makes your two weeks whatever you figure out with the CP...
It's a two way process and communication always works here at Airnet !
Some left with as short as 1 hour from departure...
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