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There is an irony apparent in the events following the February 2005 Challenger accident at Teterboro. Investigators nearly ignored the primary cause of the crash, as the NTSB focused primarily on 14 CFR Part 135 operational control issues and the lack of FAA oversight as the secondary causes. The industry and the media then homed in on the FAA’s efforts to tighten the reins of operational control for 14 CFR Part 135 operators and the aircraft on their certificates.
The FAA enacted changes to its Operations Specifications A002 and A008 as well as FAA Order 8900.1. It then began evaluating operator compliance with the new measures and in some cases taking certificate action against operators who did not conform. Finally, the FAA pursued legal action against the principal officers of Platinum Jet Management, the company that operated the Challenger, and the two pilots involved in the crash.

But the irony of the Platinum Jet debacle is that the primary cause of the accident had little to do with charter or commercial operations. The cause was something far more basic. Platinum Jet mandated the practice of tankering fuel as a company cost-saving measure. When the Challenger 600 taxied for takeoff on Feb. 2, 2005, it was carrying too much fuel for the payload aboard and the center of gravity was too far forward. As a result, the pilot was unable to raise the nose at rotation speed, resulting in the aborted takeoff and the airplane’s departure from the runway and collision with a warehouse.

Clearly, the accident was the result of the company’s deliberate disregard of aircraft flight manual limits and willful or ignorant negligence on the part of the pilot-in-command. How could such blatant non-compliance occur without FAA knowledge? The answer is both simple and disturbing: Platinum Jet was an aircraft management company operating under 14 CFR Part 91 with virtually no FAA oversight. This gap in FAA supervision, left unresolved in the wake of the accident, still exists today.

Regulatory Loopholes
There are hundreds of aircraft management companies operating in the U.S. While many of them possess Part 135 certificates and operate all of their aircraft to this standard, there are numerous companies that do not and, indeed, many that specialize solely in Part 91 management. These Part 91 companies enjoy loopholes in both the FAA regulatory and IRS tax structures. From a regulatory standpoint, they can manage aircraft as small as Cessna 172s and as large as VIP-configured airliners and oversee aircraft fleets of unlimited size. The management personnel are not required to have formal training or documented experience and they can be hired, replaced or fired with no notice to the local Flight Standards District Office (FSDO).

In addition, no documented operations procedures or pilot-training programs are required and no currencies, other than those specified by 14 CFR Part 61, are necessary. While training vendors must be specified in the letters of authorization for reduced vertical separation minimums or required navigation performance, the training programs themselves do not have to be described or approved. Furthermore, no approved maintenance programs are necessary other than those required by the aircraft manufacturer.

For the services they provide, Part 91 management companies are permitted to collect management fees from their clients. They may also bill for crew services, maintenance performed on client aircraft, aircraft cleaning and any other fees they deem appropriate and to which the client agrees. Part 91 management companies are exempt from the definition of a commercial operator laid out in 14 CFR Part 1.1, and since they do not charge their clients on a per-leg or per-person basis, they are also exempt from IRS Federal Excise Tax considerations as well.

While benefiting from the loopholes in the regulatory and tax structures, Part 91 management companies exercise de facto operational control of their clients’ aircraft as the FAA defines it for commercial operators. While 14 CFR Part 1.1 provides the primary definition of operational control––that is, “the exercise of authority over initiating, conducting or terminating a flight”–the FAA relies equally on the criteria listed in 14 CFR Part 119.53. These criteria include:

• Does the operator hire and pay the crewmembers?
• Does the operator train and qualify the crewmembers?
• Is the operator responsible for the airworthiness of the aircraft?
• Does the operator perform maintenance on the aircraft?
• Does the operator service the aircraft?
• Does the operator schedule and dispatch the aircraft?
• Any other issues the Administrator deems applicable.
A typical Part 91 management company performs nearly all of these services for its clients. Furthermore, if an owner’s trip plans clash with the management company’s operations policy, the company may restrict or modify an owner’s itinerary, thereby even limiting an owner’s ability to initiate or conduct a flight.
There are many management companies operating and maintaining aircraft for compensation with de facto operational control over those aircraft and with little to no FAA oversight whatsoever–precisely what occurred with Platinum Jet in its operation of the ill-fated Challenger at Teterboro.
Management Rules beyond the U.S.

It is noteworthy that among countries with a large business aviation industry, the phenomenon of unregulated aircraft management companies is unique to the U.S. For example, in Canada, anyone operating a large aircraft (greater than single engine) is required to possess a private operator’s certificate (POC). POC holders require approved management personnel, company operations manuals, training programs and an approved safety management system. A management company may operate an aircraft for a company with a POC, but the management company itself normally has either a POC or the commercial equivalent, an air operator’s certificate (AOC). Holders of POCs and AOCs are subject to similar government-regulated standards and oversight in the Canadian system.

The UK-generated Overseas Territories Aviation Requirements regulations also feature close oversight of private operators. In Europe, the European Aviation Safety Agency (EASA) still recognizes a difference between private and commercial operators for oversight purposes, but the regulations that govern these organizations have yet to be written in detail. When the final regulations are enacted, most European operators expect little difference between the EASA’s guidance for commercial and private operators. Unlike U.S. regs, under which the certificate of airworthiness (CofA) is tied to the aircraft alone, under EASA regulations the CofA is tied to an aircraft’s entire operating structure, so the agency can revoke it if an operation doesn’t meet its standards.

Would FAA oversight of Part 91 management companies have affected the outcome of the Challenger crash at Teterboro? While it is impossible to answer this question with certainty, requirements for qualified management personnel, an approved training program, an accepted operations manual, an approved maintenance program and regular audits by the local FSDO might have gone a long way to breaking the chain of events that ended in a serious accident. What form should oversight take? Management specifications for Part 91 management companies, similar to those issued to fractional operators under Part 91K, might be an appropriate answer. Certification might be another.

Regardless of the final form FAA oversight takes, the FAA will not demonstrate that it has learned the lessons from the Platinum Jet crash until it takes regulatory action for Part 91 management companies. The fact is that if the Challenger had been owner flown, the outcome would have been no different. The aircraft would still have been destroyed and the passengers would have still barely escaped with their lives. Without FAA oversight, the next passengers of an unsupervised Part 91 management company might not be so fortunate.
Chris Broyhill is the chief pilot for a corporate operator. A 20-year USAF veteran (retired as Lt. Col.) and Air Force Academy distinguished graduate, he is currently working on a Ph.D. in aviation from Embry Riddle. He was previously national chief pilot at Sentient/JetDirect/Wayfarer Aviation.
 
I'll say it again since its been lost in a piss contest.

It's easy to see how a crew might get complacent when the plane is so automated. I doubt they have much actual "turn the crap off and fly the damn plane" time.

It's very easy to get to that point and we all know it.

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Interesting reading, but I've made no claims about any aviation sector. Read my comments again.
Since you brought up 121 operations. One reason I'm not in 121 aviation is because of my attitudes towards safety. A couple of months ago, I felt one of our pilots needed work on visual approaches. I had the freedom to schedule a non-revenue training flight that included more than a dozen approaches. I can't do that in 121 jet operations. I don't think 121 operations are willing to expend the resources to operate safely.

Did I ever suggest that 91 or 135 operations were safer than 121 in the aggregate, which would be a stupid proposition? No, I've found comfort in a non-121 operation that makes no compromises when it comes to safety. None, absolutely no budget constraints. It is a situation that you and other safety-minded pilots would thrive in.
 
Really? Now this has turned into Pt91/135 vs 121?

I take back my comment above about geniuses.
It always does! :)

For what it's worth, 121 isn't the leader in saftey. Part 91 corporate operators have HALF the accident rate per 10,000 hours as 121 operators. Varying safety cultures as well I'm sure.

Part 135 anything is just appaling, of which the "if you screw up, you're fired!" mentality is quite prevalent, particularly in freight.
 
Somebody thought I was comparing 121 to other sectors when I was just commenting on my operation, which pretty much gives us a blank check as far as training, as my example suggested.
Umm didn't you just say this?

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Since you brought up 121 operations. One reason I'm not in 121 aviation is because of my attitudes towards safety. .... I don't think 121 operations are willing to expend the resources to operate safely.
Yea you're right, crazy to think you were ripping on 121.
 
You are surprised that one of the resident bomb throwers did a drive by? :confused:

Not surprised, I guess, but disappointed.

There are a lot of guys with a lot of great experience and perspectives that participate on this forum. That's all lost/wasted if they just sit entrenched in their corners and throw spears rather than actually engaging in discussion by explaining the "why" behind those comments. What's the point in having a position if you can't cogently explain why you have it?

Throwing up platitudes and having an assumption that your position is implicitly correct and not reproachable is no way to participate in a discussion forum. If we want to do that, we are better served standing in front of a mirror and watching ourselves talk and then agreeing with it.

But, stupid me for thinking the point behind JetCareers discussions outside the Lavatory was an actual exchange of information for the purposes of collectively and individually improving the aviation profession.
 
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C'mon, man...I'm interested in having an actual discussion because I think there is a worthwhile point in this in learning about/from your two very differing perspectives.

I'm disappointed that you think that a drive-by comment like that is sufficient.

Frankly, he only deserves drive-by comments. But for you, I'll try to do more. :) I'm at the office now, but I'll try to remember to write up something when I get home tonight.
 
It did definitely look like you were commenting on safety in 121 operations from where I sit....

Fair enough, but revisit the context. My post was a response to a suggestion that my safety attitude or philosophy, if anybody could actually glean that from my posts, would not be consistent with 121 operations or would make me unsafe. From my example, it should have been clear that I was only speaking of my own operation, as how many operation let you go up for a day of visual approaches other than the military and a select number of 91 or sovereign operations.
 
Fair enough, but revisit the context. My post was a response to a suggestion that my safety attitude or philosophy, if anybody could actually glean that from my posts, would not be consistent with 121 operations or would make me unsafe. From my example, it should have been clear that I was only speaking of my own operation, as how many operation let you go up for a day of visual approaches other than the military and a select number of 91 or sovereign operations.

I agree that there's nothing in your posts that indicates that your safety attitude is inconsistent with 121 operations -- I don't see it, at least.

What I did see, and what I was commenting on, was you saying that your sector is "saferer" because you have the freedom to go schedule pilot proficiency sorties and 121 guys can't/won't.

You implied there was something about 121 operations that means they are choosing to be less safe, rather than acknowledging the inherent limitations on 121 operations that make dedicated pilot proficiency flying just not possible. An analog is a 121 guy saying the military fighter community is choosing to be reckless for doing so much formation flying, aerobatics, low levels, etc (and ignoring the obvious mission needs to do those things).
 
Found this, don't know if posted yet.

After I retired from UAL as a Standards Captain on the –400, I got a job as a simulator instructor working for Alteon (a Boeing subsidiary) at Asiana. When I first got there, I was shocked and surprised by the lack of basic piloting skills shown by most of the pilots. It is not a normal situation with normal progression from new hire, right seat, left seat taking a decade or two. One big difference is that ex-Military pilots are given super-seniority and progress to the left seat much faster. Compared to the US, they also upgrade fairly rapidly because of the phenomenal growth by all Asian air carriers. By the way, after about six months at Asiana, I was moved over to KAL and found them to be identical. The only difference was the color of the uniforms and airplanes. I worked in Korea for 5 long years and although I found most of the people to be very pleasant, it’s a minefield of a work environment ... for them and for us expats.

One of the first things I learned was that the pilots kept a web-site and reported on every training session. I don’t think this was officially sanctioned by the company, but after one or two simulator periods, a database was building on me (and everyone else) that told them exactly how I ran the sessions, what to expect on checks, and what to look out for. For example; I used to open an aft cargo door at 100 knots to get them to initiate an RTO and I would brief them on it during the briefing. This was on the B-737 NG and many of the captains were coming off the 777 or B744 and they were used to the Master Caution System being inhibited at 80 kts. Well, for the first few days after I started that, EVERYONE rejected the takeoff. Then, all of a sudden they all “got it” and continued the takeoff (in accordance with their manuals). The word had gotten out. I figured it was an overall PLUS for the training program.

We expat instructors were forced upon them after the amount of fatal accidents (most of the them totally avoidable) over a decade began to be noticed by the outside world. They were basically given an ultimatum by the FAA, Transport Canada, and the EU to totally rebuild and rethink their training program or face being banned from the skies all over the world. They hired Boeing and Airbus to staff the training centers. KAL has one center and Asiana has another. When I was there (2003-2008) we had about 60 expats conducting training KAL and about 40 at Asiana. Most instructors were from the USA, Canada, Australia, or New Zealand with a few stuffed in from Europe and Asia. Boeing also operated training centers in Singapore and China so they did hire some instructors from there.

This solution has only been partially successful but still faces ingrained resistance from the Koreans. I lost track of the number of highly qualified instructors I worked with who were fired because they tried to enforce “normal” standards of performance. By normal standards, I would include being able to master basic tasks like successfully shoot a visual approach with 10 kt crosswind and the weather CAVOK. I am not kidding when I tell you that requiring them to shoot a visual approach struck fear in their hearts ... with good reason. Like this Asiana crew, it didnt’ compute that you needed to be a 1000’ AGL at 3 miles and your sink rate should be 600-800 Ft/Min. But, after 5 years, they finally nailed me. I still had to sign my name to their training and sometimes if I just couldn’t pass someone on a check, I had no choice but to fail them. I usually busted about 3-5 crews a year and the resistance against me built. I finally failed an extremely incompetent crew and it turned out he was the a high-ranking captain who was the Chief Line Check pilot on the fleet I was teaching on. I found out on my next monthly trip home that KAL was not going to renew my Visa. The crew I failed was given another check and continued a fly while talking about how unfair Captain Brown was.

Any of you Boeing glass-cockpit guys will know what I mean when I describe these events. I gave them a VOR approach with an 15 mile arc from the IAF. By the way, KAL dictated the profiles for all sessions and we just administered them. He requested two turns in holding at the IAF to get set up for the approach. When he finally got his nerve up, he requested “Radar Vectors” to final. He could have just said he was ready for the approach and I would have cleared him to the IAF and then “Cleared for the approach” and he could have selected “Exit Hold” and been on his way. He was already in LNAV/VNAV PATH. So, I gave him vectors to final with a 30 degree intercept. Of course, he failed to “Extend the FAF” and he couldn’t understand why it would not intercept the LNAV magenta line when he punched LNAV and VNAV. He made three approaches and missed approaches before he figured out that his active waypoint was “Hold at XYZ.” Every time he punched LNAV, it would try to go back to the IAF ... just like it was supposed to do. Since it was a check, I was not allowed (by their own rules) to offer him any help. That was just one of about half dozen major errors I documented in his UNSAT paperwork. He also failed to put in ANY aileron on takeoff with a 30-knot direct crosswind (again, the weather was dictated by KAL).

This Asiana SFO accident makes me sick and while I am surprised there are not more, I expect that there will be many more of the same type accidents in the future unless some drastic steps are taken. They are already required to hire a certain percentage of expats to try to ingrain more flying expertise in them, but more likely, they will eventually be fired too. One of the best trainees I ever had was a Korean/American (he grew up and went to school in the USA) who flew C-141’s in the USAF. When he got out, he moved back to Korea and got hired by KAL. I met him when I gave him some training and a check on the B-737 and of course, he breezed through the training. I give him annual PCs for a few years and he was always a good pilot. Then, he got involved with trying to start a pilots union and when they tired to enforce some sort of duty rigs on international flights, he was fired after being arrested and JAILED!

The Koreans are very very bright and smart so I was puzzled by their inability to fly an airplane well. They would show up on Day 1 of training (an hour before the scheduled briefing time, in a 3-piece suit, and shined shoes) with the entire contents of the FCOM and Flight Manual totally memorized. But, putting that information to actual use was many times impossible. Crosswind landings are also an unsolvable puzzle for most of them. I never did figure it out completely, but I think I did uncover a few clues. Here is my best guess. First off, their educational system emphasizes ROTE memorization from the first day of school as little kids. As you know, that is the lowest form of learning and they act like robots. They are also taught to NEVER challenge authority and in spite of the flight training heavily emphasizing CRM/CLR, it still exists either on the surface or very subtly. You just can’t change 3000 years of culture.

The other thing that I think plays an important role is the fact that there is virtually NO civil aircraft flying in Korea. It’s actually illegal to own a Cessna-152 and just go learn to fly. Ultra-lights and Powered Hang Gliders are Ok. I guess they don’t trust the people to not start WW III by flying 35 miles north of Inchon into North Korea. But, they don’t get the kids who grew up flying (and thinking for themselves) and hanging around airports. They do recruit some kids from college and send then to the US or Australia and get them their tickets. Generally, I had better experience with them than with the ex-Military pilots. This was a surprise to me as I spent years as a Naval Aviator flying fighters after getting my private in light airplanes. I would get experienced F-4, F-5, F-15, and F-16 pilots who were actually terrible pilots if they had to hand fly the airplane. What a shock!

Finally, I’ll get off my box and talk about the total flight hours they claim. I do accept that there are a few talented and free-thinking pilots that I met and trained in Korea. Some are still in contact and I consider them friends. They were a joy! But, they were few and far between and certainly not the norm.

Actually, this is a worldwide problem involving automation and the auto-flight concept. Take one of these new first officers that got his ratings in the US or Australia and came to KAL or Asiana with 225 flight hours. After takeoff, in accordance with their SOP, he calls for the autopilot to be engaged at 250’ after takeoff. How much actual flight time is that? Hardly one minute. Then he might fly for hours on the autopilot and finally disengage it (MAYBE?) below 800’ after the gear was down, flaps extended and on airspeed (autothrottle). Then he might bring it in to land. Again, how much real “flight time” or real experience did he get. Minutes! Of course, on the 777 or 747, it’s the same only they get more inflated logbooks.

So, when I hear that a 10,000 hour Korean captain was vectored in for a 17-mile final and cleared for a visual approach in CAVOK weather, it raises the hair on the back of my neck.



Great info and its fairly recent. If this is a legit letter than Id say clearly there is a problem with their training. Its hard to not speculate after reading this. Ill eat a poop sandwich if this accident was due to some sort of mechanical failure. ;)
 
I'll say it again since its been lost in a piss contest.

It's easy to see how a crew might get complacent when the plane is so automated. I doubt they have much actual "turn the crap off and fly the damn plane" time.

It's very easy to get to that point and we all know it.

I think the problem when having that discussion is that there is a tendency for people to jump to the conclusion that such happenings are the result of some personal failing on the part of the pilots. Like they are personally weak airmen because they allowed such things to happen, rather than there being some kind of systemic limitations that drove them to that point.

In the fighter business, we sometimes say, "it is not a talent problem, it is an experience problem". In other words, those skills don't atrophy because there is some kind of individual weakness, but because they don't have the opportunity to keep the stick-and-rudder skills as sharp as they could if they weren't handcuffed by <insert reason here, there are a lot of possible ones to use>.

Frankly, he only deserves drive-by comments. But for you, I'll try to do more. :) I'm at the office now, but I'll try to remember to write up something when I get home tonight.

I'm actually interested in your perspective, so I hope you do.
 
Umm didn't you just say this?

Read it a second time. How many 121 operation would let you take up a jet and shoot a dozen visual approaches if you thought a crew member needed the training? It's not common in most other operations, but that wasn't my point. That was my military experience and I've found an operation with the resources to make that possible. Nothing more. I was pointing out an area of 121 ops that could be improved.

I would retire before flying 121 because I don't think I would be as safe as I want to be. For many, 121 conditions are horrible, pilots exhausted before they take off. I know my limitations. I don't want to fly with somebody that starves to improve his game and can't. My post was a response to an attack about my attitudes towards safety. I thought it was ironic because I would rather retire than compromise. I'm sorry that pilots are stuck in situations that are uncomfortable.
 
So you can do practice approaches on the boss' dime and 121 carriers can't. Fantastic. The resources and knowledge base behind 121 operations and their associated pilot unions are second to none.

When was the last time someone in 91/135 was legitimately challenged at CAE/FSI/SIMCOM? You are absolutely fooling yourself if you think this side is safer than the other. The statistics back this up as well.
 
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