Landing Incident @ SFO

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drunkenbeagle said:
Stabilized 500, or more likely 1000 is typical. But flightaware data feeds aren't accurate looking at flights where I have been the one driving in the past, so I wouldn't put much faith into them
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Fair enough....But if they are bad, they should be equally bad on different days....? Enough of the facts lets get back to bashing CNN....
 
Seggy said:
So you are saying a 1320 FPM rate of descent at 600 feet AGL (if the numbers are true) is a normal rate of descent?
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With ya on the numbers true part- anyone else feel like looking at a few hundred flight aware arrivals into SFO and seeing what they report on short final? The rate of decent is likely inaccurate that low, they don't sample quickly enough (engineer in me speaking)
 
Interesting in that ATC recording someone yells "Go Around" several times.. It's kind of blocked by the cessna, though not at all his fault. I wonder if that was the UAL 885 crew watching this from the end of the runway...?
 
Boris Badenov said:
Different engines, warm weather = no fuel freeze. Dollars to donuts some zero to hero porked it because he can't fly a visual without a glide slope.
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Based on my experience with the exact people that were flying this, I'd say you're going to win this bet. I'd also bet that a bunch of the current and former AMFers could make our own 12 page thread on times and things Koreans have done to try and kill us. Mind you these are not students. Fully certificated pilots, and they went back home to fly Boeings and Airbi.
I'm pretty sure JayAre has at least a few stories. I know I do, and I only flew with them for about 6 months.
I guess I shouldn't be throwing the pilots under the bus, but based on past experience that is the conclusion I would jump to.
 
JEP said:
That may be true...Serious question though....But at some point shouldnt each flight regardless of the method to get to final, be established on an identical glideslope path before touching down? I would 'think' that could provide some data to compare would it not?
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I don't know how accurate flightaware data is. You are right, ideally most FOMs require stability by 1000 AGL fully configured, gear/flaps down, and thrust appropriate for the approach speed, and a rate of descent appropriate for glidepath. 28L had no glidepath (out of service) and I believe the PAPI is out as well.
 
Seggy said:
So you are saying a 1320 FPM rate of descent at 600 feet AGL (if the numbers are true) is a normal rate of descent?
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What I'm saying is I don't know how accurate the flightaware website is and the last thing I'd want is to have other pilot crewmembers crucifying me based on web data that may or may not be accurate. Stop harping on "1320" as if that's an accurate number. We don't know. The NTSB will analyze the FDR and CVR data, and they will spell out exactly what the path of this aircraft was. Until then, it's just speculation.
 
Seggy said:
Then why on the 5th was the descent rate at 600 feet 720 FPM...?

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/AAR214/history/20130705/0730Z/RKSI/KSFO/tracklog

We will see if these numbers are true.
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Who knows.

1) sudden loss of power
2) bad data from flightaware
3) misjudged visual and screwed the pooch
4) a million other things we haven't thought of.

I don't know. I sent a text to XYZ about some crew from ABC that I thought was being stupid JKY, after I thought about it for a while, 'cause I don't know. I waited for hindsight to say "yeah, that was pretty stupid, so why don't I talk to some people that know more than me."
 
Cherokee_Cruiser said:
What I'm saying is I don't know how accurate the flightaware website is and the last thing I'd want is to have other pilot crewmembers crucifying me based on web data that may or may not be accurate. Stop harping on "1320" as if that's an accurate number. We don't know. The NTSB will analyze the FDR and CVR data, and they will spell out exactly what the path of this aircraft was. Until then, it's just speculation.
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Where did I crucify the crew?
 
drunkenbeagle said:
Who knows.

1) sudden loss of power
2) bad data from flightaware
3) misjudged visual and screwed the pooch
4) a million other things we haven't thought of.

I don't know. I sent a text to XYZ about some crew from ABC that I thought was being stupid JKY, after I thought about it for a while, 'cause I don't know. I waited for hindsight to say "yeah, that was pretty stupid, so why don't I talk to some people that know more than me."
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If you don't know then why did you bring up fuel and relate it to the BA 777?
 
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Seggy said:
Then why on the 5th was the descent rate at 600 feet 720 FPM...?

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/AAR214/history/20130705/0730Z/RKSI/KSFO/tracklog

We will see if these numbers are true.
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