LaMia Flight 2933 — This is getting REALLY bizarre

Whether it's "better" or "worse" is immaterial (and rather subjective, I think). The claim was that it's different. And it is.
 
Cherokee_Cruiser said:
Drinking already impairs you from the get go. No good decisions can be made if you're drunk enough to not operate machinery safely. Driving drunk is already breaking the law.

I honestly don't know what the IFR laws are down in Brazil, Bolivia, or Columbia. Suffice to say, this flight was approved by multiple sources (pilot PIC, the airline itself, and ATC).

It just isn't the same thing.
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And just to nit pick but ATC has 0 to do with approving flight plans.
 
NovemberEcho said:
And just to nit pick but ATC has 0 to do with approving flight plans.
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In the U.S., you are correct.
However, in MOST other countries, the person accepting and approving a flight plan IS, in fact, a member of the same organization as the people in the tower, and enroute controllers. In OTHER countries they are all considered a member of Aeronautics Agency (or Air Traffic Control).
 
NovemberEcho said:
Well when the drunk guy got into his car that night, it's not like he set off wanting to, knowing, and planning to crash.

He'd driven that route home drunk plenty of time and made it safe. He had always stayed between the lines. Why would this night be any different?

If you've ever been buzzed you know exactly what the mentality.

If a drunk driver got in a head-on and killed a family you'd call him a murderer wouldn't you? This isn't any different just because he's a pilot.
You are held accountable for your decisions, and if extremely negligent and deliberate and you kill people because of it, it is murder. I beleive there's even a term, "negligent homicide" or then laymans "homicide through extreme stupidity".
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Well, you just made a pretty good counter argument to your argument for "murder". "Homicide" and "murder" are not necessarily synonymous... hence, the two (2) different terms - and two different charges. Got it?
 
Crop Duster said:
Well, you just made a pretty good counter argument to your argument for "murder". "Homicide" and "murder" are not necessarily synonymous... hence, the two (2) different terms - and two different charges. Got it?
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hom·i·cide
ˈhäməˌsīd/
noun
NORTH AMERICAN
  1. the deliberate and unlawful killing of one person by another; murder.
    "he was charged with homicide"
    synonyms: murder, killing, slaughter, butchery, massacre; More
    • the police department that deals with murders.
      noun: Homicide
      "a detective from Homicide"
    • dated
      a murderer.
 
NovemberEcho said:
hom·i·cide
ˈhäməˌsīd/
noun
NORTH AMERICAN
  1. the deliberate and unlawful killing of one person by another; murder.
    "he was charged with homicide"
    synonyms: murder, killing, slaughter, butchery, massacre; More
    • the police department that deals with murders.
      noun: Homicide
      "a detective from Homicide"
    • dated
      a murderer.
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Er, yes, right.
Here are a couple more for you to google dictionary... Subset and Union Set. Oh, and you can use either an English OR a Legal dictionary for these, unlike your previous.
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NovemberEcho said:
hom·i·cide
ˈhäməˌsīd/
noun
NORTH AMERICAN
  1. the deliberate and unlawful killing of one person by another; murder.
    "he was charged with homicide"
    synonyms: murder, killing, slaughter, butchery, massacre; More
    • the police department that deals with murders.
      noun: Homicide
      "a detective from Homicide"
    • dated
      a murderer.
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Please don't get the legal definition and the Webster definition confused........
 
Homicide means what it sounds like it means. The killing of a human being. Murder means something totally different. Homicide is almost literally from the Latin. Murder is from old high german and almost certainly from Proto-Germanic. It holds both different connotations and different legal meanings. Murder, by any rational reading of the language, involves some degree of intent. People who hit someone with a car because they're inebriated explicitly have no intent. How is this complicated?

Edit:. I hasten to add that you might argue that homicide by virtue of depraved indifference might be as bad, worse, less bad, whatever. And I might even agree with you. The fact remains that words mean stuff. And running over someone because you're incapable of properly operating the machine is not what "murder" means. Full stop.
 
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