LaMia Flight 2933 — This is getting REALLY bizarre

dustoff17 said:
I'm pretty sure she was NOT an airline employee/dispatcher. She works for the Government Aviation Authority and is "supposed" to review, approve/accept, and submit your flight plans. AFTER the pilot's submission, she (they) are to review each block and then sign a copy and return it to the pilot.

It's THIS step that has her in hot water; their claim is that she discussed the fuel issue with the CA (4+22 ETE AND 4+22 Endurance), but then accepted the flight plan anyway. NOT good for her
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Was she given an option to deny/reject? If she doesn't have that authority, then she should've bear the responsibility.
 
touch-n-go said:
Yes. Brazil likes to put people in jail after aviation accidents. Not sure why she went there. Especially since most of the victims were Brazilians.
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Well, there is the possibility she is just that dumb. She did authorize the flight plan with the same ETE and Fuel onboard times.
 
South America is a part of the world where as recently as the 70s, a young girl shot herself in the heart over a football match, the president of the country demanded the president of the opposing team's officially apologize, and the refusal was the spark that lead to the "Soccer/Football War" between Hondoures and El Salvador. Now, since that war was the last air to air combat of WWII era fighters and airliners were given to the state and used as bombers, no harm no foul. But given that this involved football and a negligent plane crash, the populous will want heads. People need a scapegoat for their anger, gives them a false sense of closure so they can move on with their lives.
 
ChasenSFO said:
South America is a part of the world where as recently as the 70s, a young girl shot herself in the heart over a football match, the president of the country demanded the president of the opposing team's officially apologize, and the refusal was the spark that lead to the "Soccer/Football War" between Hondoures and El Salvador. Now, since that war was the last air to air combat of WWII era fighters and airliners were given to the state and used as bombers, no harm no foul. But given that this involved football and a negligent plane crash, the populous will want heads. People need a scapegoat for their anger, gives them a false sense of closure so they can move on with their lives.
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And in the 80's didn't the Columbian Cartel murder a soccer player over an own goal?
 
— “Sir, you can’t file this Flight Plan as is,” Santa Cruz Airport’s Flight Plan Officer, Celia Castedo, said to LAMIA’s dispatcher, Alex Quispe. “Fuel Range and Estimated Flight Time are both the same, you need to correct it.”

— “No, the Captain is well aware and he said that it’s fine. It’s more than enough fuel to reach Medellin. We’ll do it in less time, don’t worry,” replied Quispe, who hours later would die onboard.
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https://airwaysmag.com/industry/pilots-can-be-heroes-but-also-murderers/
 
MaRiO FDZ said:
Well, there is the possibility she is just that dumb. She did authorize the flight plan with the same ETE and Fuel onboard times.
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I mean, it's not FSS responsibility to ensure you're not horrifically stupid here.... actually I think I'm going to call me FSS buddy and see what he says.
Time enroute - 2 hours 30 minutes.
Fuel on board - 2 hours 30 minutes.
 
tomokc said:
Was she given an option to deny/reject? If she doesn't have that authority, then she should've bear the responsibility.
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I would say....Yes, yes she did.
I believe that she would have that very authority. From my international flying, the flight plan had to go THROUGH these people. Without their approval, you don't get clearance to start, let alone clearance to take off.
 
NovemberEcho said:
And in the 80's didn't the Columbian Cartel murder a soccer player over an own goal?
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Boris Badenov said:
The takeaway from this story is that journalists don't have the most basic knowledge of what "air traffic control" means.

Well, that and this chick is about to be sacrificed to the powers that be.
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Nah, South American sacrifices went out with the Incas. Plus, if they're in aviation, they're probably not virgins anyway. ;)
 
KLB said:
The DGAC gave me hell down there every once in a while. You had to walk back and forward between different agents getting this stamped and this signed. Heaven forbid you wanted to change your routing, destination, or departure time. That could take hours.
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Could?!? For me, it always took hours, except when I was really in a rush and flush with crisp, new, high denomination American bills.

GypsyPilot said:
The more backwards the country, the worse the bureaucracy. At least that's the conclusion I came to after flying in the Caribbean and Central America.
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Banana bureaucracies and pretty much all petty clerks... fake it 'til you make it. ;)

MaRiO FDZ said:
Yuup, at first I ended up saying "whatever route and altitude you like". Enroute I'd ask for what I wanted. Them came electronic flight plans (though you need a DGAC license to acceaa the portal), and problem solved. Haha even Clearance delivery tells me "no the route you want for this flight you must fike it like bla bla bla". Sure, whatever. Do your job
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Because permits are based on mileage. Routes equal revenue. You're billed on what you file, not on what you fly. Eeez niiiiice!
 
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Crop Duster said:
Could?!? For me, it always took hours, except when I was really in a rush and flush with crisp, new, high denomination American bills.
Because permits are based on mileage. Routes equal revenue. You're billed on what you file, not on what you fly. Eeez niiiiice!
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AFAIK Down here in Mexico they charge for FSS services whenever you get fuel, regardless of milleage. I heard some time ago that if you overfly Mexico abd don't refuel there, the Tail Number's registerred address gets an invoice in the mail.
 
MaRiO FDZ said:
AFAIK Down here in Mexico they charge for FSS services whenever you get fuel, regardless of milleage. I heard some time ago that if you overfly Mexico abd don't refuel there, the Tail Number's registerred address gets an invoice in the mail.
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It's actually a very serious issue for those who don't fly down there regularly. There is an overflight fee regardless of anything. If you overfly Mex airspace, you pay. The problem is... this is NOT published in any aviation regs. It is part of the byzantine Mex tax code. So you could theoretically fly several many times over Mexico all fat and happy on your way to, say, Costa Rica. You might do this for years. Then, at some point the spouse wants to vacation in Mexico. You airline down to Punto Wherever, get a wicked sunburn and sloshed on Pacifico con limon, then head back to pick up your flight home only to be met by Aduana who gives you a choice of two doors. Door Number One: You pay up your $40000 past-due with accumulated interest over-flight bill, OR, Door Number Two: Ptomaine poisoning and non-consensual sexual encounters in a beautiful local detention facility until your lawyer and agents pass through Door Number One on your behalf.
 
tomokc said:
Was she given an option to deny/reject? If she doesn't have that authority, then she should've bear the responsibility.
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Why should she bear any responsibility? Remember when pilots were responsible for controlling their own airplane, and you know, not crash because of fuel exhaustion?
 
Cherokee_Cruiser said:
Why should she bear any responsibility? Remember when pilots were responsible for controlling their own airplane, and you know, not crash because of fuel exhaustion?
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I seem to remember being vaguely told at one point that I was directly responsible for, and the final authority as to, the operation of "my" aircraft...
 
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