King Air down at LGB

I think Jetcareers should establish a special ZOMG Team! to deploy with the NTSB every time there's an airplane crash. While the Feds are kicking over the broken bits, the JC commandos can slap their cheeks, wail at the heavens, and pass out copies of "High Flight" to the unsuspecting.

Oh, and contribute "expert analysis" on "what probably happened" and warn everyone to "be careful out there".

Sad thing. That's it.
 
Boris Badenov said:
I think Jetcareers should establish a special ZOMG Team! to deploy with the NTSB every time there's an airplane crash. While the Feds are kicking over the broken bits, the JC commandos can slap their cheeks, wail at the heavens, and pass out copies of "High Flight" to the unsuspecting.

Oh, and contribute "expert analysis" on "what probably happened" and warn everyone to "be careful out there".

Sad thing. That's it.
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First off LOL at that.:yup:

Second. That crash looks terrible. It's been a tragic couple of weeks. My thoughts and prayers go out to their families. RIP














be careful out there.
 
WacoFan said:
Saw my first fatal when I was young (11 or so - really good friend in a Culver Cadet) and some more since then. My Grandpa, being a man of few words, simply told me "Airplanes will absolutely kill you. Most of the time someone will do something to cause that, but sometimes things will just randomly happen and you buy the farm. If you're going to be around airplanes for any length of time you just need to get used to that fact and if you can't you shouldn't mess with airplanes."

He wasn't exactly The Great Santini, nor was he Dick Van Patten - kind of in between. True enough statement though. He also made me fly the Chief with him that afternoon after watching the wreck so I would get over the whole "thinking about it" thing.
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Pretty much. I put my emotions in my emotional bucket ("RIP, be careful :( ") and my professions in my professional bucket ("The probable cause of this accident..."). There's not a lot of cross talk between them.

We are indeed playing and working with stuff that can and will kill you if it gets out of hand. Fate is, and will continue to be, the hunter.

While I am saddened by accidents, I don't (can't, and won't) use that feeling as an excuse to not fly...I'm still going to go fly the airplane tomorrow.

Accidents sharpen my resolve to do whatever I can to improve safety, though. I know that accidents are going to continue to happen (that's just how it is unless we take the humans completely out, and that's impossible), I just would prefer to limit them. The only way to eliminate risk is to not fly - and that's just useless - it does a disservice.

Keep Flying.

Boris Badenov said:
I think Jetcareers should establish a special ZOMG Team! to deploy with the NTSB every time there's an airplane crash. While the Feds are kicking over the broken bits, the JC commandos can slap their cheeks, wail at the heavens, and pass out copies of "High Flight" to the unsuspecting.

Oh, and contribute "expert analysis" on "what probably happened" and warn everyone to "be careful out there".
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Ha, I lol'd, as one of the people who admonished "be careful out there".

I might chip in words like "be careful" and "RIP" in threads of this ilk...just extending some words. I won't be speculating on the cause of the accident because I'm not in the investigation business and doing so publicly does us a massive disservice...but I am a human being, and will extend a few kind words of sympathy.
 
Autothrust Blue said:
but I am a human being, and will extend a few kind words of sympathy.
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Don't get me wrong. If it were someone I knew or a member of this community, I'd be RIPing right along with the rest of you.

But I swear to the deity of your choice that if any one of you reads, discusses, or even mentions "High Flight" in the event of my untimely demise, or says the words "so young" or "fellow aviator", I will f'ing haunt you. And I don't mean "Ghost" haunt you, I mean fricking "Poltergeist" times ten.
 
Boris' Obit:

"Our dear fellow aviator has flown west...so young. At least he died what he loved doing, and now he's slipped the surly bonds of earth and gone to the big Ron Paul rally in the sky...the western sky. Nobody knows what happened, and I don't want to speculate, but losing the engine on the MU2 at rotation is hard...made harder by the early reports that he was getting a hummer (RIP as well DPAPilot). Fate is most certainly the hunter my fellow aviator and brother. RIP".
 
Boris Badenov said:
Don't get me wrong. If it were someone I knew or a member of this community, I'd be RIPing right along with the rest of you.

But I swear to the deity of your choice that if any one of you reads, discusses, or even mentions "High Flight" in the event of my untimely demise, or says the words "so young" or "fellow aviator", I will f'ing haunt you. And I don't mean "Ghost" haunt you, I mean fricking "Poltergeist" times ten.
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there is something SERIOUSLY wrong with you...no SERIOUSLY!!! LOL
:) (I am pissed because you owe me a new keyboard, and Poltergeist was scary)
 
WacoFan said:
Boris' Obit:

"Our dear fellow aviator has flown west...so young. At least he died what he loved doing, and now he's slipped the surly bonds of earth and gone to the big Ron Paul rally in the sky...the western sky. Nobody knows what happened, and I don't want to speculate, but losing the engine on the MU2 at rotation is hard...made harder by the early reports that he was getting a hummer (RIP as well DPAPilot). Fate is most certainly the hunter my fellow aviator and brother. RIP".
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Outstanding!
 
Wow this went in several interesting and unexpected directions, some rather disturbing ie Boris' obit....
And Waco, you owe me a keyboard as well... almost aspirated my beer just now...
 
WacoFan said:
"Airplanes will absolutely kill you. Most of the time someone will do something to cause that, but sometimes things will just randomly happen and you buy the farm. If you're going to be around airplanes for any length of time you just need to get used to that fact and if you can't you shouldn't mess with airplanes."
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Incidentally, the instructors'll tell classes this right when training begins for ATC here at the FAA Academy. "Many of you will be the last person who someone talks to before they die." Sobering, but it is what it is.
 
Terrible. Plus, I just got out of 4 hours in the King Air simulator, doing engine failures on takeoff,... and see this thread. Talk about taking training seriously...
 
HuggyU2 said:
Talk about taking training seriously...
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matthew said:
Yet another reminder why we should all take this profession very seriously.
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What happened yesterday is indeed disappointing. Naturally, we are all going to die, but I assume I speak for everyone by saying that an untimely death in an airplane is no way to do the job. We'd like to believe that in our modern age, events like will this not occur. Unfortunately, of course, they do.

As respectfully as possible, I take issue with the above statements because they seem to imply a clowning around or lack of "professionalism" on behalf of the crew. A) We don't know yet and B) some accidents are just a random chain of crap circumstance that would take the most proficient and well trained pilot to the grave. I don't think a synthesized mindset of "whoa, this is serious stuff" contributes to any quantifiable measure of safety.

In other words... what Boris said. If this was the wrong place to pick such a bone, I apologize in advance for poor taste. Condolences to the families.
 
HuggyU2 said:
Terrible. Plus, I just got out of 4 hours in the King Air simulator, doing engine failures on takeoff,... and see this thread. Talk about taking training seriously...
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Hope none of your V1 cuts went into the dirt like that!
 
PFGiardino said:
What happened yesterday is indeed disappointing. Naturally, we are all going to die, but I assume I speak for everyone by saying that an untimely death in an airplane is no way to do the job. We'd like to believe that in our modern age, events like will this not occur. Unfortunately, of course, they do.

As respectfully as possible, I take issue with the above statements because they seem to imply a clowning around or lack of "professionalism" on behalf of the crew. A) We don't know yet and B) some accidents are just a random chain of crap circumstance that would take the most proficient and well trained pilot to the grave. I don't think a synthesized mindset of "whoa, this is serious stuff" contributes to any quantifiable measure of safety.

In other words... what Boris said. If this was the wrong place to pick such a bone, I apologize in advance for poor taste. Condolences to the families.
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I guess I took those things to mean that it reinforced why you spend so many hours training and I didn't take the other comment to mean that those guys DIDN'T take the profession seriously - just reinforced that this is indeed a performance business. Of course nobody knows what happened and they could have been given an enormous crap sandwich to deal with - or they may have just blown it. Nobody really knows and won't for a while, and whether they "blew it" or had an amazing string of failures (ala AA191) it doesn't change the finality of the event or their worth as people.
 
Boris, well done. Your responses have brought the roflcopter to the masses.

Waco, good lord that obit was funny. Best part? Dragging a homosexual DPA into it. Bravo!!!
 
PFGiordino,
Rather than looking hard to interpret what I said as derogatory, maybe you should initially consider that I posted it with nary a thought of disrespect.

Yesterday, I walked out of a 10 hour day, including 4 hours in the sim, in a course that I'm working hard to do well in,... and come across this sobering news. After my initial prayer for those involved, my next thought was how relevant my experiences of the past few hours were, and how my family/crew/passengers are relying on me getting it right.
Do I take my training seriously? Yes.
Does this act as a reminder that I need to continue to do so? Yes.
Do I need a reminder? No,... but I will think about this incident in a just a few hours when I go into the sim for my next 4 hours of emergency procedures training.

Whether you meant it "respectfully" or not, your jumping to the conclusion that I was denigrating those involved was grossly in error.
 
HuggyU2 said:
PFGiordino,
Rather than looking hard to interpret what I said as derogatory, maybe you should initially consider that I posted it with nary a thought of disrespect.

Yesterday, I walked out of a 10 hour day, including 4 hours in the sim, in a course that I'm working hard to do well in,... and come across this sobering news. After my initial prayer for those involved, my next thought was how relevant my experiences of the past few hours were, and how my family/crew/passengers are relying on me getting it right.
Do I take my training seriously? Yes.
Does this act as a reminder that I need to continue to do so? Yes.
Do I need a reminder? No,... but I will think about this incident in a just a few hours when I go into the sim for my next 4 hours of emergency procedures training.

Whether you meant it "respectfully" or not, your jumping to the conclusion that I was denigrating those involved was grossly in error.
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That's how I took it, and I would suspect how most took it - and I saw nothing disrespectful. Sitting through hours and hours in training and repeating things can be a tedious thing - but this accident serves as a reminder as to why you must push through the tedium and stay alert during what can seemingly be boring. That's how I took it and I believe it to be a good message.
 
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