Kinds of Operation=Types of operation?

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Screaming_Emu

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So I'm preparing for my oral exam for my CPL, Multi, and Instruments. Going through operating with inoperative equipment. Here's my question: 91.213 says that when not operating with an MEL, you have to look in the Kinds of operations list for the aircraft. Now in my POH for the seminole, all I can find is types of operation...is this the same thing? I dont believe it is, as it only lists what the aircraft is approved for. Or do I use that and then go by the standard required equipment for whatever type of operation which I'm doing? Any hellp would be appreciated.
 
Well, if "kinds" of operation and "types" of operation aren't the same thing.........you must be a redneck, no I mean, this must be a government operation.
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Well, if "kinds" of operation and "types" of operation aren't the same thing.........you must be a redneck, no I mean, this must be a government operation.
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common sense would say that they are....but these are FEDERAL aviation regulations, so you never know ;-)

According to the jep multi engine book it says-

"While MELs are typically found in larger aircraft, light aircraft may have a Kinds of Operations List. This list contains all originally installed equipment, and outlines which equipment must be operational for different conditions of flight. The requirements for operation of the kinds of equipment shown on the list are typically based on Part 91 requirements. A Kinds of Operations List is given by the manufacturers in the POH, but the format of the list varies greatly between manufacturers. The information included is part of original certification of the airplane".

So all that tells me that its in the POH somewhere, and it could look like anything. Now the thing that confuses me is that all the Types of Operation in the POH says is...ok nevermind, I'm an idiot. All it took was me not skimming over the whole thing and reading each word.

But for future reference it says "The airplane is approved for the following operations when equipped in accordance with FAR 91 or FAR 135.

And now you may all procede to make fun of me
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I'm so glad I spent 30 minutes trying to find the answer to that...
 
I think you must have looked at it while suffering from caffeine withdrawal. Or not having a high enough blood caffeine level.

It is the FARs, my friend. If you can't sleep, break those out.

You'll be cutting zzzzs in no time.
 
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I think you must have looked at it while suffering from caffeine withdrawal. Or not having a high enough blood caffeine level.

It is the FARs, my friend. If you can't sleep, break those out.

You'll be cutting zzzzs in no time.

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or it was 5 something AM and I had been up all night
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"A Kinds of Operations List is given by the manufacturers in the POH, but the format of the list varies greatly between manufacturers. The information included is part of original certification of the airplane".

So all that tells me that its in the POH somewhere, and it could look like anything. Now the thing that confuses me is that all the Types of Operation in the POH says is...ok nevermind, I'm an idiot. All it took was me not skimming over the whole thing and reading each word.

But for future reference it says "The airplane is approved for the following operations when equipped in accordance with FAR 91 or FAR 135.

And now you may all procede to make fun of me
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[/ QUOTE ]Nah. You were faced with a language discrepancy. FARs aside (I don't think it's really a "defined term" but the certification regs tend to use "kinds" rather than "types"), you probably realize that aviation has its own language that sometimes sounds like English but isn't (ask a non-pilot what "maneuverability" or "controllability" is and you will probably get something different than the aviationspeak answer).

So you decided to find an answer.

Good job.
 
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you probably realize that aviation has its own language that sometimes sounds like English but isn't (ask a non-pilot what "maneuverability" or "controllability" is and you will probably get something different than the aviationspeak answer).


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my favorite one is certificated. Wouldn't you think that certified would work, especially with one of the definitions being

" To issue a license or certificate to"

though the one after that is

" To declare to be in need of psychiatric treatment or confinement."

so maybe I see their point :-P
 
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" To declare to be in need of psychiatric treatment or confinement."

so maybe I see their point :-P

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Actually, I think that in this day and age, if you want to get into the aviation industry, that phrase may describe you very well!
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" To declare to be in need of psychiatric treatment or confinement."

so maybe I see their point :-P

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Actually, I think that in this day and age, if you want to get into the aviation industry, that phrase may describe you very well!
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WEll, I do play net, so that's probably the case anyway
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WEll, I do play net, so that's probably the case anyway
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What I said goes double in your case. Not only do you want to get into the aviation industry, but you actually like gettingin the way of hard rubber shot at you at speeds of up to 100 mph.
 
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