JUST for Doug!
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TheShortOne
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yeh but that took 5 mins on a website...not an entire weekend!
pilot602
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The new Dells I was looking at a month or so ago were running 500 and 800Mhz (for $900 and 1,000 machines ... which is not bad).
Thats what I never understood. We had all these faster and faster processors but the "pipe" they were connected to stayed the same for years. Grrrr.
Thats what I never understood. We had all these faster and faster processors but the "pipe" they were connected to stayed the same for years. Grrrr.
gay_pilot18
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What about Gateway no one mentioned them there darn good computers...
Dells are good too but prefer Gateway. If I was rich I'd buy a Sony VIAO computer.
But Gateways are good computers for the money.
As for Dells they have gone down since "Steven" stopped pitching for em.
The inturns are just okay...
Everett
Dells are good too but prefer Gateway. If I was rich I'd buy a Sony VIAO computer.
But Gateways are good computers for the money.
As for Dells they have gone down since "Steven" stopped pitching for em.
The inturns are just okay...
Everett
TheWife
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We HAD a Sony and went through 4 of them and never had a reasonable explanation of what the problem was. We know have a "Totalyl Awesome" which came with a life time warranty and they are 15 minutes from my house so if there is a problem, I take it to them. They also have 24 hour phone service and even fix things that are screwed up do to operator problems.
Joe
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I plan on building a new computer after this semester is over, mainly because I don't need that much. I already have a CD-RW, DVD-ROM, sound card, video/tv tuner card, monitor, mouse, keyboard, and printer, so all I need is a motherboard, processor, more RAM, bigger hard drive, network card, and new operating system. Hopefully I can use the same case. Might need a stronger power supply though.
The only problem is I've never built a computer before, so I'm not 100% sure how to do it, or what parts I should get. I've taken apart my old computer enough times to see how it all goes together, but there are a lot of things I'm still not sure about. In the end I'll probably have to get some help from someone, but hopefully if I have good enough parts it'll be stable.
The only problem is I've never built a computer before, so I'm not 100% sure how to do it, or what parts I should get. I've taken apart my old computer enough times to see how it all goes together, but there are a lot of things I'm still not sure about. In the end I'll probably have to get some help from someone, but hopefully if I have good enough parts it'll be stable.
tonyw
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Unfortunately, we are going to have to get used to this kind of crap. Why bother to actually pay someone who lives in Austin a living wage when you can just ship his job overseas to someone who barely speaks English in Bangalore for a third of the price? That's corporate America for you.
Of course, the fact that you piss off loyal customers and give them crappy service means nothing to them. Why? Because all of their competitors will do the same thing so unless you're a corporate customer buying thousands of computers, no matter where you go, you'll be speaking to a guy with an Indian, Russian, or Polish accent.
And Wall Street will love you and goose your stock price.
Don't you just LOVE corporate America?
Of course, the fact that you piss off loyal customers and give them crappy service means nothing to them. Why? Because all of their competitors will do the same thing so unless you're a corporate customer buying thousands of computers, no matter where you go, you'll be speaking to a guy with an Indian, Russian, or Polish accent.
And Wall Street will love you and goose your stock price.
Don't you just LOVE corporate America?
JDMcFly
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Most of the pre-made desktops are pretty poor quality.
Dell, Gateway, etc, are all fine for the average user, but they are pretty hard on you if you actually want to do something with them. Substandard parts are a problem with all ofem!
I'm planning to build my next desktop, saves a good deal of money and you get more bang for your buck. I wouldn't recommend it unless you are sure you know what you're doing... and can be your own Tech support
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This PC (which is not mine) is a Gateway, but barely- The soundcard, videocard, power supply, RAM, keyboard, mouse, CD-RW Drive, Hard drives; All replaced and/or added.
Unfortunately it is pretty hard though to 'build your own laptop'.
Dell, Gateway, etc, are all fine for the average user, but they are pretty hard on you if you actually want to do something with them. Substandard parts are a problem with all ofem!
I'm planning to build my next desktop, saves a good deal of money and you get more bang for your buck. I wouldn't recommend it unless you are sure you know what you're doing... and can be your own Tech support
This PC (which is not mine) is a Gateway, but barely- The soundcard, videocard, power supply, RAM, keyboard, mouse, CD-RW Drive, Hard drives; All replaced and/or added.
Unfortunately it is pretty hard though to 'build your own laptop'.
cointyro
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Unfortunately, we are going to have to get used to this kind of crap.
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Wait a second - it's "this kind of crap" that makes our country so great. Capitalistic innovation. You think the US has such a high standard of living [arguably the highest in the entire world] because we're morally good, or possess some special geographic token?
No - it's because we have an economic system relatively closer to "free market" than any other country.
A corporation has one and only one allegiance - to make cash for its shareholders. Not to be a force for American employment, nor to make its workers happy, or anything else warm and fuzzy. Perhaps a company will decide to keep American workers because it feels this WILL make more cash - but it's crazy to categorically say "outsourcing is crap."
Have faith in the system. If the market ships your job overseas - that's its way of saying "time to find something new" - because the newly generated careers will ultimately compensate you better, and your standard living will rise even more. Not a friendly, nor easy, reality to live in. But hey, no one said life is easy.
I, for one, welcome the knowledge-based jobs of innovation, development, and integration - they pay a heck of a lot better than tech support. And will likely continue to do so for a long time.
Unfortunately, we are going to have to get used to this kind of crap.
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Wait a second - it's "this kind of crap" that makes our country so great. Capitalistic innovation. You think the US has such a high standard of living [arguably the highest in the entire world] because we're morally good, or possess some special geographic token?
No - it's because we have an economic system relatively closer to "free market" than any other country.
A corporation has one and only one allegiance - to make cash for its shareholders. Not to be a force for American employment, nor to make its workers happy, or anything else warm and fuzzy. Perhaps a company will decide to keep American workers because it feels this WILL make more cash - but it's crazy to categorically say "outsourcing is crap."
Have faith in the system. If the market ships your job overseas - that's its way of saying "time to find something new" - because the newly generated careers will ultimately compensate you better, and your standard living will rise even more. Not a friendly, nor easy, reality to live in. But hey, no one said life is easy.
I, for one, welcome the knowledge-based jobs of innovation, development, and integration - they pay a heck of a lot better than tech support. And will likely continue to do so for a long time.
tonyw
Well-Known Member
I'm all for the marketplace, but a totally free market without some form of regulation results in all sorts of nasty things, such as child labor, horrible pollution, unsafe working conditions, and so on.
I don't want a communist system, nor do I want a totally free market. There's got to be a balance. We need resaonable regulation (oh, I know that means the Wall Street Journal will never want me on the editorial staff since I dared to say that regulation can be necessary) combined with the free market.
Shipping our jobs off overseas to places without any worker protections, with horrible environmental pollution, and so on to save a few pennies is morally wrong, in my view. Especially since we don't really benefit that much. Ben from Ben and Jerry's was on NPR and said that the cost savings that someone gets by shipping production overseas averages less than 50 cents.
Besides, if corporations would think strategically and long term, they'd realize that if we ship off all the well paying jobs to places where someone's happy to work for $5.00 a day, and we're all working at a Walmart type job for $8.00 an hour and no benefits, the American marketplace will go to hell in a handbasket.
You gotta have people with discretionary income for a healthy economy and $8.00 an hour with no benefits ain't gonna hack it!
I don't want a communist system, nor do I want a totally free market. There's got to be a balance. We need resaonable regulation (oh, I know that means the Wall Street Journal will never want me on the editorial staff since I dared to say that regulation can be necessary) combined with the free market.
Shipping our jobs off overseas to places without any worker protections, with horrible environmental pollution, and so on to save a few pennies is morally wrong, in my view. Especially since we don't really benefit that much. Ben from Ben and Jerry's was on NPR and said that the cost savings that someone gets by shipping production overseas averages less than 50 cents.
Besides, if corporations would think strategically and long term, they'd realize that if we ship off all the well paying jobs to places where someone's happy to work for $5.00 a day, and we're all working at a Walmart type job for $8.00 an hour and no benefits, the American marketplace will go to hell in a handbasket.
You gotta have people with discretionary income for a healthy economy and $8.00 an hour with no benefits ain't gonna hack it!
cointyro
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Woah, I never suggested a totally free market place! I agree with you there 100% - we need some regulation - and the Journal would agree with you.
But - we certainly do not need regulation like you suggest you support: something akin to "an American company MUST NOT replace workers with cheaper labor outside of the country."
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if we ship off all the well paying jobs...
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Most outsourced jobs are not well paying, when compared to others in the US. And the new careers created as the result of the capitalist process are almost always not of the Wal-Mart variety. The new careers, on average, come with higher discretionary income.
As for the "morally wrong" label, that's a slippery slope. I would contest that it's morally wrong to take a job from an American and give it to another, ONLY if you believe that Americans are an inherently “more-deserving” people.
Consider two situations.
(1) An American makes $40k in tech support in Oklahoma - can drive a used Lexus, and can send his kid to soccer camp every summer. An equally smart, hardworking Indian, however, cannot find employment, and scrapes by with just enough to feed and clothe his kid.
(2) The American has his job outsourced, and, for the sake of argument, can only find a job that pays $30k (assistant manager at the local department store). He leads a relatively similar life as before, but can no longer afford to drive the used Lexus, or send his kid to soccer camp. The Indian gets that outsourced job, and is now making $12k a year (of course, the rupee equivalent, not dollars) - enough so his kids can now go to school and get decent medical care.
Which situation seems more morally appropriate?
But - we certainly do not need regulation like you suggest you support: something akin to "an American company MUST NOT replace workers with cheaper labor outside of the country."
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if we ship off all the well paying jobs...
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Most outsourced jobs are not well paying, when compared to others in the US. And the new careers created as the result of the capitalist process are almost always not of the Wal-Mart variety. The new careers, on average, come with higher discretionary income.
As for the "morally wrong" label, that's a slippery slope. I would contest that it's morally wrong to take a job from an American and give it to another, ONLY if you believe that Americans are an inherently “more-deserving” people.
Consider two situations.
(1) An American makes $40k in tech support in Oklahoma - can drive a used Lexus, and can send his kid to soccer camp every summer. An equally smart, hardworking Indian, however, cannot find employment, and scrapes by with just enough to feed and clothe his kid.
(2) The American has his job outsourced, and, for the sake of argument, can only find a job that pays $30k (assistant manager at the local department store). He leads a relatively similar life as before, but can no longer afford to drive the used Lexus, or send his kid to soccer camp. The Indian gets that outsourced job, and is now making $12k a year (of course, the rupee equivalent, not dollars) - enough so his kids can now go to school and get decent medical care.
Which situation seems more morally appropriate?
FL270
New Member
Gotta agree there.
I'm as conservative as they come, and of course I recognize the need for a certain amount of regulation in a free market economy. Obviously, child labor laws are a must, for example.
For the most part, outsourced jobs are indeed unskilled and semi-skilled labor positions. The new jobs in this country require more skills and education, but offer a substantially improved lifestyle.
The beauty of our system is that if you don't like something, vote with your wallet. If Dell's Bangalore tech support is unacceptable to you, don't spend your money at Dell anymore. Buy from another manufacturer, build your own PC, etc. Take your machine to a local computer tech (every town has them, find a good one!) instead of playing the phone-in-one-hand, screwdriver-in-the-other, peering-cluelessly-into-your-CPU game with Tech Support.
FL270
I'm as conservative as they come, and of course I recognize the need for a certain amount of regulation in a free market economy. Obviously, child labor laws are a must, for example.
For the most part, outsourced jobs are indeed unskilled and semi-skilled labor positions. The new jobs in this country require more skills and education, but offer a substantially improved lifestyle.
The beauty of our system is that if you don't like something, vote with your wallet. If Dell's Bangalore tech support is unacceptable to you, don't spend your money at Dell anymore. Buy from another manufacturer, build your own PC, etc. Take your machine to a local computer tech (every town has them, find a good one!) instead of playing the phone-in-one-hand, screwdriver-in-the-other, peering-cluelessly-into-your-CPU game with Tech Support.
FL270