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derg said:
Oh, out. Entirely.

This was years ago and the pilot has retired and statistically dead by now.
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IMO then that FFDO should have been kicked out of the program on the spot. Also for showing that kind of negligence it is my opinion they should have been out of a job as well. That's harder to enforce but the lack of judgement here is astounding.

To everyone concerned about this. If you feel like something is inappropriate with an FFDO please report it to your chief pilot or pro standards. Whatever you feel comfortable with. Eventually it will work its way up the chain to the correct people. Inappropriate actions with a firearm is completely unacceptable for anyone. For an FFDO it's worse.
 
BEEF SUPREME said:
IMO then that FFDO should have been kicked out of the program on the spot. Also for showing that kind of negligence it is my opinion they should have been out of a job as well. That's harder to enforce but the lack of judgement here is astounding.

To everyone concerned about this. If you feel like something is inappropriate with an FFDO please report it to your chief pilot or pro standards. Whatever you feel comfortable with. Eventually it will work its way up the chain to the correct people. Inappropriate actions with a firearm is completely unacceptable for anyone. For an FFDO it's worse.
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Yes, but we don't know everything that FFDOs should and shouldn't be doing. Obviously there are things you should never do with a gun that are basic safety rules but there is an overall lack of training on the subject. Like I said, I didn't even know there were ways to report FFDOs till long after my incident. That should be the first thing they teach.

There are things FFDOs are supposed to do as part of their shtick and that isn't exactly communicated to pilots that don't care to go to gun camp (seriously had an FFDO call it that) so they can bypass security and not have to deal with the new system replacing KCM.
 
I don’t know what he did or didn’t do was wrong, I just thought he was a complete twerp with how he practiced gun safety and basically assumed that dropping a weapon with the barrel pointed at a person was just idiotic.
 
Maurus said:
Yes, but we don't know everything that FFDOs should and shouldn't be doing. Obviously there are things you should never do with a gun that are basic safety rules but there is an overall lack of training on the subject. Like I said, I didn't even know there were ways to report FFDOs till long after my incident. That should be the first thing they teach.

There are things FFDOs are supposed to do as part of their shtick and that isn't exactly communicated to pilots that don't care to go to gun camp (seriously had an FFDO call it that) so they can bypass security and not have to deal with the new system replacing KCM.
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I can't give out SSI details.

Weapon being completely safe in a holster isn't part of SSI or even the FFDO program. It's just common sense weapon safety practice. For example concealed carry. You see that weapon out of a holster that person better be defending their life. Or they are just being negligent.

I encourage anyone who sees unsafe weapon handling practices to report that to their base chief pilot or pro standards. Someone there will help you get in touch with the appropriate contact at TSA to have that FFDO removed from the program.
 
I thought about Professional Standards, but that was after a completely underwhelming experience about it’s effectiveness.

I’m a straight to the CPO kind of guy or, if eggregious enough, straight to the regional director person after my PS experience.
 
derg said:
I thought about Professional Standards, but that was after a completely underwhelming experience about it’s effectiveness.

I’m a straight to the CPO kind of guy or, if eggregious enough, straight to the regional director person after my PS experience.
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Yeah. I had the same experience with Pro Standards after a captain refused to deice in ANC.

According to my friend on another committee Pro Standards won’t even take calls about the guy anymore.

Any unsafe practices with a firearm should immediately be reported. If that means base chief pilot then so be it. I’d rather not have clowns like that in the program.
 
MikeD said:
Agreed. And sad to hear the happenings.
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Completely out of bounds and not in any kind of way in compliance with the program. Immediately kicked out is the only way to treat this pilots. Perhaps civil and criminal penalties as well. Integrity and trust is the only thing that makes the program possible.
 
derg said:
I thought about Professional Standards, but that was after a completely underwhelming experience about it’s effectiveness.

I’m a straight to the CPO kind of guy or, if eggregious enough, straight to the regional director person after my PS experience.
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Apparently, several years ago, APA (in their infinite wisdom) made the most-complained about Captain in PHL the Pro Stans Chair. I guess it made it easier to field calls about himself.

I found this out because I was relaying a story about the aforementioned Captain and my experience with him at the end of probation. One of the worst trips I've ever been on (save for a few on the 767 here with pointy noise military airplane guys). The guy I was talking to said, "Oh him? Yeah, they made him Pro Stans Chair in PHL!"

Don't think about that for more than 30 seconds or it'll give you an aneurysm.
 
@BEEF SUPREME of all the stories shared, mines the most mellow and yet the most unbelievable to you. I can’t even imagine someone dropping the gun on the floor and having it pointed at me. Or like Maurus and having it pointed at him, worse than my case of a gun sweep pointing momentarily at my leg.




And please stop saying a gun in the holster won’t go off. You sound like the guy at the gun range who points the weapon in an unsafe direction but then says, it was unloaded, it couldn’t go off! Yeah I get it. Unloaded guns can’t go off. Holstered gun can’t go off. I don’t know if your holster is closed end or open end. I don’t care to be frank.


Because it STILL all boils down to:

Treat all firearms like they’re loaded
And
Never point the muzzle at something you don’t intend to destroy.
 
SteveC said:
So your gun(s) are always pointed at “something you intend to destroy”?

I suggest you rework that wording to something more realistic/possible.
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Treat every weapon as if it were loaded.
Don’t point a weapon at anything you dont intend to shoot.
Keep your finger off the trigger until you are ready to fire.
Keep the weapon on safe until you intend to fire.
 
Cherokee_Cruiser said:
@BEEF SUPREME of all the stories shared, mines the most mellow and yet the most unbelievable to you. I can’t even imagine someone dropping the gun on the floor and having it pointed at me. Or like Maurus and having it pointed at him, worse than my case of a gun sweep pointing momentarily at my leg.




And please stop saying a gun in the holster won’t go off. You sound like the guy at the gun range who points the weapon in an unsafe direction but then says, it was unloaded, it couldn’t go off! Yeah I get it. Unloaded guns can’t go off. Holstered gun can’t go off. I don’t know if your holster is closed end or open end. I don’t care to be frank.


Because it STILL all boils down to:

Treat all firearms like they’re loaded
And
Never point the muzzle at something you don’t intend to destroy.
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It’s got far more to do with the person telling the story….
 
ERfly said:
Apparently, several years ago, APA (in their infinite wisdom) made the most-complained about Captain in PHL the Pro Stans Chair. I guess it made it easier to field calls about himself.

I found this out because I was relaying a story about the aforementioned Captain and my experience with him at the end of probation. One of the worst trips I've ever been on (save for a few on the 767 here with pointy noise military airplane guys). The guy I was talking to said, "Oh him? Yeah, they made him Pro Stans Chair in PHL!"

Don't think about that for more than 30 seconds or it'll give you an aneurysm.
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What the hell….
 
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