Just a reminder about numbers and letters

PGT said:
Which Cirrus was this? I was looking at a 04 SR22 and it had a separate strobes switch.

Then again I did see a newer Turbo model taxing around with the strobes on.
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You sure that wasn't a separate taxi/landing light switch? I've got time in an 04 and our company's 07, and both of them only have one strobe switch. You talking about N7AV by any chance?
 
The BL is, there's a time and place for the guys who want to grab-ass on the radio........at 0100 in the middle of ZAB when the same controller is working 5 different sectors in one time. A busy unicom or TRACON freq isn't. Know the time and place. That's professional. Any extraneous comm only further congests a freq. ATC, as well as other pilots, gain a first impression of you based on your comm, and you'll get requisite service based on that. Talk like a nitwit on the radio, get treated the same. Be professional, get treated the same. And best of all.....use good judgement, get treated as a professional.

No one is saying be a mindless robot (for all you pansy-ass "make it human" types), but no one is saying make comm a free for all either. There's proper phraseology for a reason. None of us are 100%, but it never hurts to strive for that.
 
I don't know why.... but every time I see your name on a post, Mike, I think of FlavaFlave and or the Beastie Boys.....

but yes, professional is better.... for the mojo!
 
JordanD said:
That and when people say "November blah blah blah" without even saying their aircraft type.
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I'm late to the party and you probbaly won't see this post but, this allowed in the AIM.
either Cessna 12345 or N12345 is acceptable.
 
E_Dawg said:
Heard on the radio yesterday:

Airliner: "Checkin in 350, we're deviatin left"

ATC: "Okay, how far left do you need to go?"

Airliner: "Ohhhh, ahhh, about a handful of miles"

ATC: "...approved"


I won't say what airline it was, but their initials were SWA.
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..on there airport prompters at least here in PHX

They normally put:

"plane bouta land!"

or

"Fixin' ta land."
 
MikeD said:
The BL is, there's a time and place for the guys who want to grab-ass on the radio........at 0100 in the middle of ZAB when the same controller is working 5 different sectors in one time. A busy unicom or TRACON freq isn't. Know the time and place. That's professional. Any extraneous comm only further congests a freq. ATC, as well as other pilots, gain a first impression of you based on your comm, and you'll get requisite service based on that. Talk like a nitwit on the radio, get treated the same. Be professional, get treated the same. And best of all.....use good judgement, get treated as a professional.

No one is saying be a mindless robot (for all you pansy-ass "make it human" types), but no one is saying make comm a free for all either. There's proper phraseology for a reason. None of us are 100%, but it never hurts to strive for that.
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:yeahthat:

I'm no way close to perfect, but what of you think of a effective communication really isn't professional or effective at all!
 
Tram said:
You can beg to differ all you'd like.. :) That is what makes the internet great.. However, the fact of the matter is, you and I and everyone reading this are 100% human which makes it 110% impossible to be 100% professional.. You simply can't do it..

Can you strive to be professional? Of course..
Does being a professional 99.9% of the time make you "not a professional?" Of course not..

I do however, think it's funny you took the time to tell me to lighten up when my post was essentially telling the AIM/FAR thumpers to lighten up.. ;)
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Well 1st, perhaps your definition of "professional" and my definition are not the same. Being professional does not mean being procedurally or verbally 100% perfect 100% of the time. That is the human element. Being human does not in any way lessen ones professionalism. And nailing your AIM and 7110.65 does not necessarily make you a professional. I never said I'm 100% perfect.

2nd, while I used your quote to address your comment on professionalism, I did recognize that you and I were essentially on the same page regarding the AIM thumpers. Which is why I said (I think), "...some of youse guys..." That part of the comment was not being directed toward you. Sorry I wasn't too clear in that communication. I guess I'm only human--professional non-the-less.
 
Alchemy said:
Yeah no kidding, I can't stand the "cleveland center, airliner 1234" then wait for "go ahead" line. Ever notice that the controller sounds annoyed as hell when they come back with that "go ahead"? Just say the request for crying out loud. (now that I say that I'm sure one of our ATC guys will come on and tell me how wrong I am)
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I'd say it depends on the nature of the request and how busy it is. If the controller is on the land line trying to coordinate with another sector, if you start rattling off a book chances are they're only going to get the last few words of your request, which is going to inevitably lead to a, "last aircraft calling, say again?"

So if your request is brief, and to the point, then I say there is no problem with saying the request up front. Though in a busy situation it may be proper to get the controller's attention first, particularly if you haven't checked on frequency yet.

Unlike pilots, we are evaluated on our phraseology from day one. While not every instructor I have worked with is the same, there are some that will just harp on you constantly for saying something as small as, "is cleared" or when you slip up once and say "nine" instead of "niner". While I doubt improper phraseology has resulted in a loss of life, it has certainly led to some losses of separation, and just causes frustration on both ends when you can't understand what the other person is trying to communicate. If you say the message right the first time, there is a much better chance of it being understood and not having to be repeated.
 
MikeD said:
And proper radio phraseology is part of acting professional. Of course there are exceptions......0100 in ZABs airspace when I'm the only guy flying in the next X number of sectors with the same controller, I'll loosen it up a bit and be friendlier, since it's not bothering anyone else or otherwise taking up needed air time.
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Little itty bitty, BS flag here. (Sorry I haven't read the entire thread yet). Being "professional" is doing it right (trying to to do it right at least) all the time, regardless. If you, not MikeD only, want to be casual at times on the radio, that is your choice. However, one cannot have it both ways, ie you cannot call people out for being unprofessional during one period of time whilst you yourself are, by definition, being unprofessional during other times; on purpose.


back on topic.... sorry for the brief 7700

I have a slight stutter and I have found that if I start with Good...whatever I don't fumble nearly as much.
 
400A said:
Little itty bitty, BS flag here. (Sorry I haven't read the entire thread yet). Being "professional" is doing it right (trying to to do it right at least) all the time, regardless. If you, not MikeD only, want to be casual at times on the radio, that is your choice. However, one cannot have it both ways, ie you cannot call people out for being unprofessional during one period of time whilst you yourself are, by definition, being unprofessional during other times; on purpose.


back on topic.... sorry for the brief 7700

I have a slight stutter and I have found that if I start with Good...whatever I don't fumble nearly as much.
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It's called knowing time and place parther. There's a time and place for everything. That's the professional part....not just knowing how, but knowing when. Being a chatterbox during the afternoon rush at EWR is wrong........chatting with ATC, if they want to, at the times I mentioned above isn't.
 
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