Just a reminder about numbers and letters

You pilot-for-hires aren't going to stop us real guys from adding a human touch to aviation. Find something else to be angry about.
 
TFaudree_ERAU said:
Why is this thread five pages long?

I think I've read the same four comments over and over and over and over and over...
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:yeahthat:

There is nothing wrong and unprofessional about saying things like "good morning" over the radio.

This thread made me giggle.

We are not special.
 
Ok am I just the only one seeing this thread as a bunch of people too concerned with the little things, polite way of saying anal? if I say checking in, passing 3,500 for 12,500. Is the controller too stupid to realize that 3500 is smaller than 12,500 and therefore cannot imply a descent?

I mean I do try to use correct terms while flying, but I really don't lose sleep nor think that it reflects a lack of professionalism on anyone's part. You have to enjoy and have some sort of fun at your job otherwise you become the pilot everyone is trying to drop from their trip. I flew with a Capt once that was so anal and too concerned with every little word on the OPs manual that in my opinion he would crash an airplane by the numbers! No one liked flying with him.

When you go to the doctor are you more concerned that he uses the approved medical terms or that he knows what the heck is wrong with you can cure it?
 
phoenix 23684 said:
Ok am I just the only one seeing this thread as a bunch of people too concerned with the little things, polite way of saying anal?
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Nope. I'm with you.

In my 10 years of flying I have never heard anyone say "suga pop". I usually say "sierra pop" of instead of foxtrot "fox". The controllers have never corrected me.

I could care less what someone says over the radio as long as i doesn't affect the safety of my flight. In fact, as soon as the wheels touch down I forget just about every radio call that was made on the flight. I'm already thinking about beer and food. :)
 
PGT said:
"Chi-town center, jetlink xxxx, with you, pimpin three-six-oh"

Do it :)
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I heard a guy from a large Utah-based regional say that on Memphis center a few years ago.

And yes, I do realize that we have a number of guys straight out of the Sorghum distillery at my airline.
 
galvestonaggie said:
The problem I constantly run into is ATC not knowing my type of aircraft (Aero Commander 100 also known as a Lark) so 1 of 2 things end up happening they start calling me experimental, Cessna, North American (my personal fav) or it turns into a lengthy conversation about the what my aircraft is. Every time this happens I feel bad for causing so much confusion and taking up so much time on the radio and I know the simplest solution is to just call myself a Cessna but it isn't correct I'm not a Cessna I'm a "North American/Rockwell Aero Commander 100 Darter/Lark"-is that long enough! Anyways I'm strongly considering just going to North American 45M, any thoughts?
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Well.. I used to hate saying "experimental 314L" all the time.. So.. I started using "RV-314L" which was wrong.. More than once I had a controller thinking I was saying "Army" instead of "arrr-veee."

I'm "experimental 314L."

I'm not down with the fower and fifes and all that.. What gets me is most of the guys who use this terminology don't use it completely..

They'll be "Cessna three four five quebec climbing out of tree fife zero for fower fife zero."

Now, I could be showing my ignorance here by not knowing if this is correct terminology? Perhaps it is perfectly ok to be "Cessna Three Four Five in a call sign, yet when using the "other" numbers using "fower fife" etc.. etc..

I say "oh" sometimes.. sometimes I say "zero."

I would think we all need to sit back and listen to ourselves.. I used to have a pet peeve and I found MYSELF using it.. Never had any idea.. I told a sim instructor about how it annoyed me when people did it.. and I was doing it.. :)

On a tangent - I was in a sim once and used the terminology "Let's go flaps 20..." "let's go flaps 30.." Habit.. Bad habit? Perhaps.. Still.. My instructor reamed me out for "Let's go.."

My sim partner said... "How 'bout flaps 20.." "How 'bout flaps 30.." "How 'bout them Braves.." and for some reason, that was language graced in the instructors eyes..

I can understand the need to be professional.. I really do.. We should all be professionals.. However, there is not a single one of us posting on this message board who are "100% by the book" professionals.. We just are not capable.. Just as we are not 100% perfect.. We can all try, as we should, but each one of us has an "oh" or a "with you" that we all do...
 
Tram said:
I can understand the need to be professional.. I really do.. We should all be professionals.. However, there is not a single one of us posting on this message board who are "100% by the book" professionals.. We just are not capable.. Just as we are not 100% perfect.. We can all try, as we should, but each one of us has an "oh" or a "with you" that we all do...
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The old addage goes: "Be liberal in what you accept, and conservative in what you send." Controllers are professional communicators. We are professional pilots. We're expected to be spending all out brain cycles on flying the airplane. Controllers are expected to spend all their brain cycles on communicating with us. It's their burden to handle our varied outputs, and to give us inputs in a strictly standardized format to make it easier for us to parse. I don't think its unprofessional at all for a pilot to use non-standard phraseology on the radio, as long as the message gets across.
 
We're not even supposed to give anything other than position, altitude, destination when flying up and down lynn canal, the FAA advises against it.

I like it this way better, "Mab Island, 2 point 5, Haines" is a bit better than "Lynn Canal Traffic, Tango Cherokee 123ABC, Mab island, at Two Thousand Five Hundred feet enroute to Haines, Lynn Canal Traffic"
 
stesta5074 said:
You pilot-for-hires aren't going to stop us real guys from adding a human touch to aviation. Find something else to be angry about.
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Do you think we.. "pilot-for-hires" might be able to stop you.. "real guys" from running around at night with your strobes on?

Is there a check list somewhere that says "At night, once the master comes on, strobes must be on?"

For the most part, I will admit, I err to the "GA guy" side more than the "Airline pilot guy side." I just like GA flying better, but sheesh man, some of you "real human touch adding to aviation guys" need to get a friggin' clue..
 
Tram said:
Do you think we.. "pilot-for-hires" might be able to stop you.. "real guys" from running around at night with your strobes on?
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The jackass at Cirrus that decided to forgo the red beacon needs to be castrated.

The FAA can kiss my hairy butt if they think I'm going to taxi around at night with the strobe flashing.
 
Ah, I don't have a beacon on the RV.. :) At night, I just run the Nav's and taxi light.. I'm not running around with my strobes pissin' off everyone.. ;)
 
Tram said:
Ah, I don't have a beacon on the RV.. :) At night, I just run the Nav's and taxi light.. I'm not running around with my strobes pissin' off everyone.. ;)
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Totally different in a kit built used for recreation in my opinion. Massed produced aircraft commonly used for night flying should have never gotten a TC without one.
 
TFaudree_ERAU said:
The jackass at Cirrus that decided to forgo the red beacon needs to be castrated.

The FAA can kiss my hairy butt if they think I'm going to taxi around at night with the strobe flashing.
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Which Cirrus was this? I was looking at a 04 SR22 and it had a separate strobes switch.

Then again I did see a newer Turbo model taxing around with the strobes on.
 
I can understand the need to be professional.. I really do.. We should all be professionals.. However, there is not a single one of us posting on this message board who are "100% by the book" professionals.. We just are not capable.. Just as we are not 100% perfect.. We can all try, as we should, but each one of us has an "oh" or a "with you" that we all do...[/QUOTE]

I beg to differ. My verbiage may not always be 100% AIM but I am always 100% professional. The measure of professionalism is NOT in your use of "tree" and "fife" or "zero" vs. "oh." There's nothing in the AIM about having fun at this job either. If I'm having fun doing what I do am I less a professional that that guy with the stick up his... well, you know...? There's more to being a professional than having the AIM memorized. I think some of youse guys need to lighten up a bit.
 
H/B767/L said:
I beg to differ. My verbiage may not always be 100% AIM but I am always 100% professional. The measure of professionalism is NOT in your use of "tree" and "fife" or "zero" vs. "oh." There's nothing in the AIM about having fun at this job either. If I'm having fun doing what I do am I less a professional that that guy with the stick up his... well, you know...? There's more to being a professional than having the AIM memorized. I think some of youse guys need to lighten up a bit.
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You can beg to differ all you'd like.. :) That is what makes the internet great.. However, the fact of the matter is, you and I and everyone reading this are 100% human which makes it 110% impossible to be 100% professional.. You simply can't do it..

Can you strive to be professional? Of course..
Does being a professional 99.9% of the time make you "not a professional?" Of course not..

I do however, think it's funny you took the time to tell me to lighten up when my post was essentially telling the AIM/FAR thumpers to lighten up.. ;)
 
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