Lol.
I just check in on freq with callsign and altitude, or callsign and position, as appropriate.
Just a reminder about numbers and letters
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Lol.
I just check in on freq with callsign and altitude, or callsign and position, as appropriate.
And proper radio phraseology is part of acting professional. Of course there are exceptions......0100 in ZABs airspace when I'm the only guy flying in the next X number of sectors with the same controller, I'll loosen it up a bit and be friendlier, since it's not bothering anyone else or otherwise taking up needed air time.
SurferLucas
Southern Gentleman
Sure pressed pants over proper phraseology...
Have you ever flown with other pilot that has stained pants/shirts...looks like they just took them out of dryer, unbrushed hair...the pilot that walks through the airport and you can tell the passangers are saying "I hope he/she is not my pilot".
Looking professional sets a tone, not only for passangers, but also for your crew members. If you carry yourself and look a professional manner, it rubs off on others.
More importantly, I want someone who operates the aircraft to standard...I want to know that they're going to be doing the same thing that I'm doing when all hell breaks loose.
Besides, if we were all out there using the same boring ole phraseology and in monotone voices...we'd get bored eventally. How many times have you had a good chuckle at Southwest and some of their radio calls...
Have you ever flown with other pilot that has stained pants/shirts...looks like they just took them out of dryer, unbrushed hair...the pilot that walks through the airport and you can tell the passangers are saying "I hope he/she is not my pilot".
Looking professional sets a tone, not only for passangers, but also for your crew members. If you carry yourself and look a professional manner, it rubs off on others.
More importantly, I want someone who operates the aircraft to standard...I want to know that they're going to be doing the same thing that I'm doing when all hell breaks loose.
Besides, if we were all out there using the same boring ole phraseology and in monotone voices...we'd get bored eventally. How many times have you had a good chuckle at Southwest and some of their radio calls...
Missing the point. Each are separate concepts for completely different phases of operation.
Standard phraseology?
Besides, if we were all out there using the same boring ole phraseology and in monotone voices...we'd get bored eventally. How many times have you had a good chuckle at Southwest and some of their radio calls...
Of course we don't have to be robots, but like I posted above, there is time and place for lightening it up....jus not normally in the middle of busy day.....includes GA types who insist on using UNICOM as a telephone.
JKJCKSN
New Member
Some of that other stuff out there could stand to be minimized or eliminated (i.e., sugar pop). Fly the plane how you're supposed to, wear the uniform like you're suppose to, etc., and if you say "Good mornin' Cleveland" vice "Cleveland Center" or "Zero" vice "oh" God help you!!
surreal1221
Well-Known Member
No. But up until recently I was flying with a guy that would show up at the FBO in his brown pants and white tee-shirt and take his blue uniform shirt out of the plane (where it hangs in the back, with his "backup" uniforms) and put it on about 10 minutes before the pax show...and take it off again 3 minutes after they're gone.
...when the uniform (and what I'm wearing) is navy pants/white shirt.
Nothing looks quite as professional as a flight crew dressed in completely different uniforms. You might as well just wear jeans and a tee-shirt at that point.
-mini
USMC-SSGT
Well-Known Member
I will definitely agree to that.
and....
Originally Posted by USMC-SSGT
Does the world no longer continue to turn because I did not say flight level one niner zero? Do people here that and go "what the heck did he just say, I have no idea where he is or what he is doing?" Center usually shows me whos boss by replying with "roger."
I think where being unprofessional comes in is the guy that says "Center ninety five sugar pop coming at you nineteen and a quarter for two one oh."
I can not believe that I wrote "here" for "hear"...impressive.
TFaudree_ERAU
Mashin' dem buttons
There ARE times when standard phraseology just won't work. Anyone ever seen the youtube video (I think it was a video; could have been just an audio clip) of the guy working EWR final? If every pilot and the controller used standard phraseology, half the airplanes on frequency would have hit each other.
Sometimes plain english just needs to be used. Same in the military/police/fire.....we use heavy comm brevity, but if there's any confusion or things are going to hell, go to plain english.
jtrain609
Antisocial Monster
What you mean, "Jetlink 2940 towers eighteen three" and a response of, "See ya" isn't standard?
galvestonaggie
Well-Known Member
The problem I constantly run into is ATC not knowing my type of aircraft (Aero Commander 100 also known as a Lark) so 1 of 2 things end up happening they start calling me experimental, Cessna, North American (my personal fav) or it turns into a lengthy conversation about the what my aircraft is. Every time this happens I feel bad for causing so much confusion and taking up so much time on the radio and I know the simplest solution is to just call myself a Cessna but it isn't correct I'm not a Cessna I'm a "North American/Rockwell Aero Commander 100 Darter/Lark"-is that long enough! Anyways I'm strongly considering just going to North American 45M, any thoughts?
TFaudree_ERAU
Mashin' dem buttons
How about dropping the whole Cessna Commander North American Lark reference and just call yourself "November"
That IS, afterall, a valid callsign.
I think you've been worrying about this way too much. If a controller wants to know and has time to ask, they will do so. Otherwise, they'll treat you as just another airplane going through their airspace at 120 knots.
That IS, afterall, a valid callsign.
I think you've been worrying about this way too much. If a controller wants to know and has time to ask, they will do so. Otherwise, they'll treat you as just another airplane going through their airspace at 120 knots.
USMC-SSGT
Well-Known Member
Interesting point and sidetrack. When I fly my airplane I say "experimental 926__" they then ask me what it is and I say "small tailwheel, speed compatible with a 152." All they really care about is how to work me and if they want the down and dirty specs on what I am flying because they are interested then ask away and ill clog the freq all day.
jhugz
Well-Known Member
CalCapt I have much respect for you sir but I strongly disagree. When you are talking to air traffic control you are just having a conversation. Who cares if you say three instead of tree and nine instead of niner or oh instead of zero. As long as the point gets across and understood then who cares. If there is any question about phraseology whether the pilot or controller doesn't know exactly what is going on something will be said.
I have a much bigger problem with people using improper radio calls in non-controlled airspace due to not having another set of eyes on you.
I have a much bigger problem with people using improper radio calls in non-controlled airspace due to not having another set of eyes on you.
cmill
Cold Ass Honky
Sorry, id rather sound professional and look sloppy.
Also, no way i would ever press my pants, or even my shirt for that matter, for the pay and BS that most regional FO's get. If they want people to look "professional" they should start treating them and paying them like professionals.