jump seat space

Ashneil

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Hey guys,

I just got a job as an airline pilot and I know we have jump seat privileges with many major airlines. Of course the whole standby travel deal worries me. I was wondering if there is a website I could use to monitor the space available on any given flight with the airlines so I do not have to go ask the check in counter everyday what the seat availability looks like.
 
Nope. Airlines don't publish that information outside of their internal non rev computer systems. You can sometimes get a sense of how a flight looks by going to book a ticket on it on the airline's regular site and then checking the seat map and counting open seats. That isn't terribly accurate though. Also some of the zed/ID90 sites do show smiley or frowny faces depending on the number of open seats on a flight, but that also isn't terribly accurate as a frowny face on one airline may mean oversold while on another it means less than 5% open.
 
Plus those don't account for other nonrevs ahead of you on the priority list. The best thing to do is make a lot of friends at a lot of airlines. Or use the load check forum.
 
I usually just call the non-rev number and ask how the flight looks the day before. They can tell how many are booked and if other nonrevs are listed for the flight.
 
You need to read, and understand this:
http://www.jumpseatinfo.org/JumpseatEtiquette/tabid/1280/Default.aspx

Remember that jumpseating is a privilege and not a right. The following etiquette guidelines and restrictions should always be observed while exercising jumpseat privileges:
• Dress code is uniform, business, or business casual.
• Jumpseat availability is usually first come, first served (however, most airlines give their own pilots and in some cases subsidiaries a higher priority). Most, but not all, airlines allow multiple jumpseat riders when unoccupied cabin seats are available. The captain makes the final decisions, not the gate agent or “computer.” Due consideration to union affiliation is also a consideration when conflicts arise.
• Check-in procedures vary by airport and airline. Allow sufficient time to check in at either the ticket counter, gate, or in some cases both.
• Remember, jumpseating is a privilege requiring professional conduct at all times. Be courteous to agents when requesting the jumpseat. Always ask the captain’s permission and offer thanks for the ride, even if occupying a cabin seat. Never let an agent rush you past the cockpit without asking the captain’s permission. FARs require the captain to know you are on board. Identify yourself as a jumpseater to the flight attendants when boarding. Some airlines require non-revenue passengers and jumpseaters to board last and conversely deplane last.
• Leave your bags on the jet bridge (or otherwise ‘out of the way’) while you are introducing yourself. Limit your carry-on bags to a minimum when jumpseating. This behooves you because you are most likely one of the last to board—when overhead space is quite limited.
• Even employees and other non-revs will have priority over jumpseaters, who generally have the lowest priority of anyone. You may be asked to deplane at the last minute. Airlines will not delay flights for jumpseaters. If we cause delays on other airlines, we could jeopardize reciprocal agreements with that airline.
• Remember that you are an additional crew member. That means that if you are sitting in the flight deck, keep your eyes and ears open. Wear a headset. Follow sterile cockpit rules, but speak up when necessary. Remember to turn off your cell phone as soon as you get in the cockpit, and cease text messaging. Even during cruise, it is best practice while in the cockpit to ask the captain if he/she minds if you read or do a crossword puzzle, etc. Remember, 10,000 feet and below is a sterile cockpit environment (in some cases, above 10,000 feet also) and, as an additional crewmember, reading, talking, etc. are not allowed. Your best behavior ensures jumpseat agreements in the future.
• If offered a seat in first class by the captain, inform the lead flight attendant of this permission. A first-class seat doesn’t automatically entitle you to the same first class benefits as revenue passengers. If they can accommodate you in first class, do not drink alcoholic beverages. While you are exercising the privileges afforded you by FAR 121.547 or 121.583 (i.e., jumpseating), you are considered an additional crewmember, and the alcohol limitations of FAR 91 apply. Just because you get a seat in the back does not relieve you from this responsibility. Even when in plainclothes, remember that you are still considered an additional crewmember by most airlines, and you may be required to perform duties in case of unusual or emergency circumstances.
• Always express your gratitude to the crew when deplaning. No matter how rushed, remember to say “Thank you.” Some airlines’ policies are for non-revs (including jumpseaters) to deplane last. Again, stay out of the way of revenue passengers, and provide any assistance, if necessary. Use your best judgment, especially if you stowed your bags farther aft than your seat.
• Be polite and courteous to gate agents. Remember that they do not get the same benefits of riding on other carriers for free, but never, ever let them talk you into taking the jumpseat or becoming a jumpseater on a flight for which you are ticketed—no matter how nicely they ask or what type of favor you may think you are doing them. They may even offer you vouchers, but this practice has resulted in lost reciprocal jumpseat agreements in the past. The jumpseat belongs to the captain, not the gate agent! It is not just another seat!
• If you have any questions, suggestions, comments, and/or complaints, please contact your Jumpseat coordinator. Be prepared with detailed information such as the date, time, gate (so it can be accurately tracked through CASS), and name of the gate agent.
Always be the consummate professional while jumpseating. It is one of the most valuable career benefits we have!

Enjoy the PRIVILEGE, and remember the flight maybe oversold and looking for volunteers, wait until the jetbridge is pulled back before you look for your next option.
 
You need to read, and understand this:
http://www.jumpseatinfo.org/JumpseatEtiquette/tabid/1280/Default.aspx



Enjoy the PRIVILEGE, and remember the flight maybe oversold and looking for volunteers, wait until the jetbridge is pulled back before you look for your next option.

Yeah this. I don't know how many times I've gone from the gate looking for volunteers and I didn't have a chance to make the flight to slipping me on board at the last moment.
 
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I commute to Denver. For example I can use Delta's or United's non rev websites to see what my commuting flights look like. They don't show all the data, but you get an idea of what to expect. I also use Frontier and Southwest to get to work. In that case, since I don't have web access, I simply list for the jumpseat the day of or the night before and the agent on the phone can tell you how it looks. Other times if you couldn't list, you simply show up to the gate and hope for the best.

BTW, A little chocolate for the gate agent can go a long way. :)
 
I usually just call the non-rev number and ask how the flight looks the day before. They can tell how many are booked and if other nonrevs are listed for the flight.
Oh, I love calling Southwest's number... "Greater than 5 available."
"O...k... so 5 seats that are going to be sold between now and the day after tomorrow or greater than 5 as in there's 90 open seats?"
"Greater than 5."
 
Oh, I love calling Southwest's number... "Greater than 5 available."
"O...k... so 5 seats that are going to be sold between now and the day after tomorrow or greater than 5 as in there's 90 open seats?"
"Greater than 5."

Yeah, they can be a bit ambiguous sometimes, but I never found what they told me to be innacurate. "It's wide open" and I always got a seat in the back. "Greater than 5" meant a 50/50 chance I'd get a seat in the back. "Fully booked" meant look at another flight or take your chances with the jumpseat. In a year and a half of commuting on them at least twice a week I never got left behind when I planned and called ahead.
 
Yeah, they can be a bit ambiguous sometimes, but I never found what they told me to be innacurate. "It's wide open" and I always got a seat in the back. "Greater than 5" meant a 50/50 chance I'd get a seat in the back. "Fully booked" meant look at another flight or take your chances with the jumpseat. In a year and a half of commuting on them at least twice a week I never got left behind when I planned and called ahead.
It's hit or miss. Sometimes they will tell me exact seats available and sometimes they do the vague thing. I do absolutely love the fact that you talk to an actual person though, they're not outsourced, and they always know what they're doing. I remember they went to an automated system a few years back that really sucked, fortunately they went back to the live person.

There is the time I called United's non-rev number desperately trying to get home out of ORD one evening to list myself for a flight. Got through the whole deal of telling them what flight and all that and got "Ok Sir your fare is $140...." Never wanted to slap someone through the phone so hard in my life. All but one ticket agent pulled the "we can't list you at the counter" crap on me. I was so grateful to the one that finally overheard and said "That's not true, I'll list you right now."

Did I mention I hate ORD?
 
Surprisingly I've had the best luck with the kayak app. Take a look at the price and seats available info. If the ticket price is high and there are very only two seats available, you know it is going to be a full flight.
 
I commute to Denver. For example I can use Delta's or United's non rev websites to see what my commuting flights look like. They don't show all the data, but you get an idea of what to expect. I also use Frontier and Southwest to get to work. In that case, since I don't have web access, I simply list for the jumpseat the day of or the night before and the agent on the phone can tell you how it looks. Other times if you couldn't list, you simply show up to the gate and hope for the best.

BTW, A little chocolate for the gate agent can go a long way. :)

How is that commute?

And how is it for the guys that don't work for Skywest and thus, aren't flying on company aircraft to and from work?
 
Oh, I love calling Southwest's number... "Greater than 5 available."
"O...k... so 5 seats that are going to be sold between now and the day after tomorrow or greater than 5 as in there's 90 open seats?"
"Greater than 5."

It's not much better for employees. When I worked there, I'd call to list for a non-rev flight, and it would range from "looks bad" to "looks good." That was an automated system ,too.

With jetBlue, I can see the exact bookings as well as any non-revs listed and the non-rev's priority. Using Delta's system at Pinnacle, I could more or less do the same thing.
 
It's not much better for employees. When I worked there, I'd call to list for a non-rev flight, and it would range from "looks bad" to "looks good." That was an automated system ,too.

With jetBlue, I can see the exact bookings as well as any non-revs listed and the non-rev's priority. Using Delta's system at Pinnacle, I could more or less do the same thing.
Delta's non rev travel line was (is? I just use TravelNet these days so I don't know if the VRU is still the same) always funny.

"Widget flight 1234 is currently not recommended for standby travel. For actual availability press one. For type of equipment and meal service, press two. To list on this flight, press three."


Sent from Seat 3D
 
How is that commute?

And how is it for the guys that don't work for Skywest and thus, aren't flying on company aircraft to and from work?

I’ve been Denver based for over a year, and commuting is, well, commuting. That being said it is about as easy as it can get. Frequency varies from 18 to 25 flights a day, though they tend to depart in blocks. Sometimes three or four flights will all depart within the same hour, so it may not always be feasible to jump from one gate to another if a flight looks bad. The frequency has made me a lazy commuter and unless the loads are awful, I typically only give myself two options to get to work. Most days I don’t arrive earlier than an hour before my show and I rarely have to use a day off for a commute.

With regard to priority it definitely helps me to have 4 or 5 700/900 company flights. I use those when I can. You guys would ride at a fairly high priority too, but overall I think the commute would be almost as simple for a pilot at any carrier. I probably use Frontier and Southwest as often as the company flights. It helps that the Airbus' and most 737's have two jump seats.

Summer loads were heavy and it seemed like I was in the jump seat 50% of the time. Right now, other than holiday flying, I usually get a seat in the back.
 
Delta's non rev travel line was (is? I just use TravelNet these days so I don't know if the VRU is still the same) always funny.

"Widget flight 1234 is currently not recommended for standby travel. For actual availability press one. For type of equipment and meal service, press two. To list on this flight, press three."


Sent from Seat 3D

Yeah, I just used TravelNet. 9/10 it was just to confirm that my decision to take jetBlue instead was the right one. One thing you learn commuting, Delta isn't happy until every flight is oversold by at least 10.
 
Somebody told me there was a Facebook page where you can post load requests. Anyone know anything about that?
 
I've heard of this site called JetCareers where there's a forum, and under the "Airline Pilot" subforum there's even a spot for load requests! ;)
 
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