JetZero United Airlines order

“I’m no aeronautical engineer, but how do the engines get airflow in a high AoA situation?“

With my online degree in rocket surgery, that was my exact first thought looking at the drawing. That along with how you gonna convince 80% of the passengers to take a middle seat, and taxi that thing past other aircraft without shutting the whole airport down while you move.

Military aircraft design? Sure. Plenty of decommissioned airports you could repurpose for just this aircraft operations.

Passenger aircraft? Add in those double decker seats where you can sniff other people’s farts and I’m sold.
 
MikeD said:
What ever happened with those above mentioned proposals?
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Anyway: Boom supersonic, the pilotless taxi cab drones etc. You see all that stuff pop up prior to earnings generally. Or a lot of hype about new aircraft orders. It's all just vapor. It will never happen, or be invested in seriously but it may lure some new investors into dumping money into a stock.
 
All that stuff is cool and all but this is what I like…

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derg said:
They’re a great airline but their corporate communications department is a little silly with misunderstanding the concept of under-promising and over-delivering.

Air Taxis, drones, supersonic aircraft and now, blended wing aircraft.

I will stand-by for incoming barbs.
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I think maybe youre showing a bit of hometeam bias. I dont think this is a under promise over deliver situation. This is all buzz and advertising. I dont think the traveling public is now saying "Hey wait a minute United, You said we'd all be on boom jet now!". I think that would that would be an issue for something tangible like "we're allowing free checked bags" or something like that, but not this. United jumped on the "Boom" jet concept first so in all the advertising you see the livery as United. Billboards in LAX all United advertising Boom. American followed United and ordered Boom jet but you see none of it anywhere. As @BobDDuck said its a way to generate buzz and show that you are on leading edge of trends as an airline. I dont think anyone is really tapping their watch asking when they VTOL is going to take them to Manhattan yet.
 
United: Hey Boeing/Airbus, we just invested a "significant" amount into Jet zero. A really REALLY good deal might change our mind..."
 
derg said:
They’re a great airline but their corporate communications department is a little silly with misunderstanding the concept of under-promising and over-delivering.

Air Taxis, drones, supersonic aircraft and now, blended wing aircraft.

I will stand-by for incoming barbs.
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Ehhh....

news.delta.com

Delta, JetZero partner to design the future of air travel by advancing first-of-its-kind, 50% more fuel-efficient aircraft for domestic and international routes

Delta Air Lines is partnering with JetZero on a revolutionary, more sustainable aircraft that looks and feels like nothing flying today’s commercial skies.
news.delta.com news.delta.com
 
derg said:
They’re a great airline but their corporate communications department is a little silly with misunderstanding the concept of under-promising and over-delivering.

Air Taxis, drones, supersonic aircraft and now, blended wing aircraft.

I will stand-by for incoming barbs.
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They are all tax write offs. If one of these concepts actually work, they get what they invested in for free.

Smart moves with the above mentioned and the marketing buzz. Better moves than trying to get into the oil refinery business :) .
 
BobDDuck said:
This is nowhere near an order. A lot of times an airline will throw a few hundred thousand dollars (or less even) just to generate some press buzz for both companies and be first in line should the plane actually materialize some day.... narrator: but it didn't.
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Boom Supersonic? Boom Supersonic? Where?
 
I watched the Boom scaled demonstrator get towed around at APA quite a bit a while back, that was after their engine manufacturer (RR I think?) had already backed out of the project. Now they’ve selected my field as their in-house engine development location, spending a ton more money building up a second headquarters, because reasons. I’ll be sure to let everyone know if any sonic booms occur at any point in the next 10 years.

I have to say, it takes some real courage to develop a supersonic jet, serendipitously at the same time NASA is doing their Quesst program, and choosing to implement absolutely none of their findings into your design…is courage the right word?
 
schloopy said:
I watched the Boom scaled demonstrator get towed around at APA quite a bit a while back, that was after their engine manufacturer (RR I think?) had already backed out of the project. Now they’ve selected my field as their in-house engine development location, spending a ton more money building up a second headquarters, because reasons. I’ll be sure to let everyone know if any sonic booms occur at any point in the next 10 years.

I have to say, it takes some real courage to develop a supersonic jet, serendipitously at the same time NASA is doing their Quesst program, and choosing to implement absolutely none of their findings into your design…is courage the right word?
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It's grift, or at least destined to be delivered, if at all, far later and more expensively than ever originally intended, which is sadly true of a lot of other avtech places.

I don't want to stand in the way of progress, of course. It would be great if they did figure out how to do this. But not having an engine selected, considering you have to build the inlet around the engine and the airplane then around the inlet, just screams vaporware to me. As does their sudden revision to use thermoclines in the atmosphere rather than some fancy new aero design to prevent a boom from reaching the, er, ground.
 
Autothrust Blue said:
It's grift, or at least destined to be delivered, if at all, far later and more expensively than ever originally intended, which is sadly true of a lot of other avtech places.

I don't want to stand in the way of progress, of course. It would be great if they did figure out how to do this. But not having an engine selected, considering you have to build the inlet around the engine and the airplane then around the inlet, just screams vaporware to me. As does their sudden revision to use thermoclines in the atmosphere rather than some fancy new aero design to prevent a boom from reaching the, er, ground.
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if you read carefully from the beginning I am 99% sure they never explicitly said they were doing any sonic boom mitigation, because I asked the x-59 quesstion when I first heard about it (oh hey look it still hasnt flown)
it was intended to be over water as previous SSTs
 
Kingairer said:
I don't think anyone is really tapping their watch asking when they VTOL is going to take them to Manhattan yet.
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Funny enough, with all the prototypes United is backing, I believe this is the most likely to succeed. These operations are already occurring in heli's right now with a different company. United wants to bring it in house and cash in on it.
 
BEEF SUPREME said:
it may lure some new investors into dumping money into a stock.
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The bigger the ambition the easier to dupe. Smart VC money in at infancy, help generate and launder hype pre IPO, exit, rinse, repeat. Some of the best shorts have unfortunately been with aviation companies post IPO (Joby, Archer, WU). The longer Boom teases this dream, the larger the base of investors joining the conga line off the cliff.
 
flyingpotato said:
The bigger the ambition the easier to dupe. Smart VC money in at infancy, help generate and launder hype pre IPO, exit, rinse, repeat. Some of the best shorts have unfortunately been with aviation companies post IPO (Joby, Archer, WU). The longer Boom teases this dream, the larger the base of investors joining the conga line off the cliff.
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Legit. We taxied past the Eclipse hangar today at ABQ. How soon we forget.
 
bp said:
if you read carefully from the beginning I am 99% sure they never explicitly said they were doing any sonic boom mitigation, because I asked the x-59 quesstion when I first heard about it (oh hey look it still hasnt flown)
it was intended to be over water as previous SSTs
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I remember someone going “it’s so quiet!” at one of their posts on Facebook and my reply was “at six tenths of a Mach there’d better be no goddamned boom”
 
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