JetBlue

[JetCrew]

I've been doing a lot of thinking about applying lately... It's just for •s and giggles so I don't think I stand much chance of actually getting 1 of the 24 positions offered. Maybe having my DX license might help my cause, i dunno. My concern is the pilot union. Is there a real possibility that the union can eventually shut this program down?

 

[Mike Wise]

For a young person with $0 currently invested in flight training, I would guess that $125K to go to a right seat at Jet Blue could be a pretty good deal. Maybe someone with access to the numbers can do the actual math, but when you calculate lifetime earnings of going this route vs paying for ratings (likely borrowing money to do so), a few years of poverty level wages as a CFI, regional FO, then job fairs and interview prep, etc, I would bet the gateway program comes out way ahead.

I share the same thoughts.

Tell a kid hey $80-100k for ATP + Maybe 5 years at a regional at poop pay and poop qol, and maybe an opportunity to go to a major if they are hiring by then..

Or..

125k to go straight to a major making almost what 1.5- 2 times as much when your year 2 FO? (Pulling that number outta nowhere, currently at happy hour.)


I would go route dos.

 

[BEEF SUPREME]

I share the same thoughts.

Tell a kid hey $80-100k for ATP + Maybe 5 years at a regional at poop pay and poop qol, and maybe an opportunity to go to a major if they are hiring by then..

Or..

125k to go straight to a major making almost what 1.5- 2 times as much when your year 2 FO? (Pulling that number outta nowhere, currently at happy hour.)


I would go route dos.

What about putting 125K into a 4 year degree and getting a path to a career where people value your professional skills. Also having a choice over where you work when you are done.


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[Mike Wise]

What about putting 125K into a 4 year degree and getting a path to a career where people value your professional skills. Also having a choice over where you work when you are done.


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"But dad, I don't want to go to college for business, I want to be an airline pilot." - back when I was 18 and I knew everything. good times.

 

[ZapBrannigan]

As a pax I'd rather ride on an E190 than a bus. The no middle seat thing is huge

 

[BEEF SUPREME]

It would be one thing if JB identified top talent, invested in their new cadets and (gasp!) paid for training the buggers to fly. I'm sure there would be some kind of binding contract, similar to the DOD stuff about hanging around for a minimum of 10 years after becoming "TOP GUN".

Which brings up another issue. Can these people get trained and bail for another airline? Or do they pay for training and then have problems if they get laid off or a dozen other scenarios I could dream up. And no these are not good scenarios like the amphib/tallship, hot danish chicks and epic barrels. I'm talking loss of medical and time to find a new job, signing a contract to fly for JB at a lower wage, or in any case owing your employer anything.

I could think up a lot of other ways to invest that 125K, sure not all of them involve sitting on reserve at JFK and flying an E190.


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[X-Forces]

In unrelated news, WTF is this all about? What could possibly be the purpose of putting this statement on the side of an Embraer?

This has always been a joke that drivers of sh*tty cars put on their bumper, a joke that acknowledged and highlighted that it was a crappy car...with the assurances that their "other" car is not nearly as lousy.

I don't see how this makes JetBlue passengers happy about the jet they paid good $$ to ride on. "Yeah, we know you paid the same amount as the people who ride the nicer Airbus, but this smaller one is the jet we're putting on your route today. Thanks for flying JetBlue!"

As a pilot with a sense of humor, I think it is funny...but hard to fathom why JetBlue would want to have their own customers to think it.

You're overthinking this one. It's just us being silly.

 

[X-Forces]

We also have an Airbus named "My Other Ride Is a JetBlue E190"

Yep!

I think we are weare running out of "Blue" metaphors.

 

[bp]

Yep!

I think we are weare running out of "Blue" metaphors.

 

[Hiboglossi]

I think Allegiant beat them to that one. Especially since this is one of their MD-80s that has had smoke in the cockpit.

Also, "Blue myself" might be inappropriate for JetBlue. Too bad Spirit uses yellow, otherwise it would work for them.

 

[Zidac]

Blue Balls is available.

 

[jskibo]

 

[USMCmech]

I guess my concern ....... a certain number of indentured servants are in the ranks.

Is JB paying for any of the training, or is the whole 125K out of the "cadet's" pocket via self pay or student loans?

Are the "cadets" obligated to go to JB after finishing training.

If either of the above is true, how long are the "cadets" on the hook?


Ab Into works for Chinese airlines because their "cadets" are under 30+ year training contracts, which allows the airline to safely invest the large amount of money to send students to school here in the US. However, in this country I can't fathom a judge enforcing any training contract longer than 3 years.

Heck, I'm sure down the road some cadet will "lose his medical" due to debilitating migraines, get released from his contract, "recover" and apply to Delta.

 

[Mike Wise]

Is JB paying for any of the training, or is the whole 125K out of the "cadet's" pocket via self pay or student loans?

Are the "cadets" obligated to go to JB after finishing training.

From the press release it looks like there's no obligation to JB after training is completed, and JB will not be paying for any of the training. JB will give you a seat in the E190 once you've reached 1500hrs - by passing the regional airlines.

 

[USMCmech]

From the press release it looks like there's no obligation to JB after training is completed, and JB will not be paying for any of the training. JB will give you a seat in the E190 once you've reached 1500hrs - by passing the regional airlines.

So basically this is a "pre training" interview, overpriced training, and a guaranteed job after reaching ATP mins.

 

[Mike Wise]

So basically this is a "pre training" interview, overpriced training, and a guaranteed job after reaching ATP mins.

Yes sir, thats the vibe I've gotten.

I think the AA regionals and ATP do something similar/same with their CFI pipeline programs.